Sciencemadness Discussion Board - pronounciation

pronounciation

YT2095 - 19-7-2006 at 00:53

just a quick question here, I`ve read of Acyl chlorides,

how do you say "Acyl" ?

is it (ak il) or (ay sil).

also when speaking, is there any difference or inflection between: Alkenes and Alkynes ?

since this thread will probably be a very short one, feel free to add your own such queries here too.

tumadre - 19-7-2006 at 00:59

al kee ns

al ky ns

i dont even attempt to spell them correctly

YT2095 - 19-7-2006 at 01:47

well that makes sense, the (Al kInes) and (Al kEEns).

as for spelling though, probably more so than in any other Science Spelling is Critical in chem, the Spoken side of things is also nice to have though.

Darkblade48 - 19-7-2006 at 04:08

I say "acyl" as "ay - sil".

I agree with your pronunciation for alkenes and alkynes

It's funny how the British often pronounce radical groups like "methyl" as "me-thile" whereas the North American pronunciation is "meth-ill"

Edit: Woops, switched the pronunciations around

[Edited on 7-19-2006 by Darkblade48]

YT2095 - 19-7-2006 at 04:25

I tend to use (Mee Thul) as a stand alone use, but change it when used in conjuction with other words/names I would never say (Mee thunol) it would be (meh thah nol).

PEA is another, phenylethylamine, is it (feenol eethul amine) or (feenol eth ileameen) I`ve heard that said Both ways.

so you recon it `s (Ay sil) for Acyl then. I did also, but wasn`t 100% sure.

Darkblade48 - 19-7-2006 at 06:19

That brings up another interesting point YT, is phenyl pronounced "fee-nol" or "fen-ol"?

I've always used the latter, but I have heard it pronounced as the former as well.

YT2095 - 19-7-2006 at 06:25

well for me, when said on its OWN as a word I would exagerate it a little and say (fee nil), in a word such as PEA then I`de use (fee nul).

Darkblade48 - 19-7-2006 at 09:07

Actually, I realize that it might be both syllables of the word "phenol" that can be pronunciated differently.

I hear some people say the first syllable as "fee" as in paying a fee, others say it as "fen" sounding like the word "fence".

The second syllable is either "null", or pronounced as "nil".

So, we have 4 possibilities:
fee-null (I don't hear this often, if at all)
fee-nil (I hear this quite often)
fen-null (I don't hear this often, if at all)
fen-nil (This is the way I pronounce it)

YT2095 - 19-7-2006 at 10:23

well for PEA I persoanly would say (feenol eethul ay-meen) as in 3 distinct words, I often hear it as almost ONE word maybe 2 words if you count a minor pause, as (feenol eth-eye-lameen).

12AX7 - 19-7-2006 at 13:43

It really makes my mind boggle why the IUPAC would choose "-yne" and "-ene". I mean, WTF... the English "Y" can take on the "I" or "E" vowel sound just fine, and I personally would be prone to use the "E" sound, thus making "yne" and "ene" sound the same.

Oh, and let's not forget about amines... so we have "-ine", "-yne" and "-ene"... sorry but there just ain't enough vowel sounds to go around...

But go figure, they're a bunch of Frenchies anyway. I'll stick with my "-ylenes", TYVM.

Tim

unionised - 23-7-2006 at 01:46

"But go figure, they're a bunch of Frenchies anyway."
A spot of googling seems to indicate their headquarters is in North Carolina.
"I'll stick with my "-ylenes"
Which? The ones like acetlyene or ethylene?

Brie - 30-7-2006 at 16:43

heres one:

ASS-itone vs. ACE-itone? (same with acetic acid)

...maybe we should have just used german pronunciation, more vowels. Or we could use esperanto

Jdurg - 30-7-2006 at 17:49

Quote:

Originally posted by Darkblade48
Actually, I realize that it might be both syllables of the word "phenol" that can be pronunciated differently.

I hear some people say the first syllable as "fee" as in paying a fee, others say it as "fen" sounding like the word "fence".

The second syllable is either "null", or pronounced as "nil".

So, we have 4 possibilities:
fee-null (I don't hear this often, if at all)
fee-nil (I hear this quite often)
fen-null (I don't hear this often, if at all)
fen-nil (This is the way I pronounce it)

Hmmm... I must be different then. When I see the word (compound) "phenol" I pronounce it "fenn-all".

Vitus_Verdegast - 30-7-2006 at 20:22

phenethylamine according to Shulgin (first page of PiHKaL):

\fen-'eth-al-a-,men\

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Phonetic_Alphabet...

The last e should sound somewhat longer

Quote:

I tend to use (Mee Thul) as a stand alone use, but change it when used in conjuction with other words/names I would never say (Mee thunol) it would be (meh thah nol).

YT2095, you haven't by any chance studied Greek, have you? Pronouncing the y as u

[Edited on 31-7-2006 by Vitus_Verdegast]

YT2095 - 31-7-2006 at 01:37

not Greek no, Russian yes.
Cyrillic originated from Greek though, so there would be similarities.

unionised - 31-7-2006 at 11:51

So far as I am concerned that last y in phenyl is usually cropped down to a sort of grunt; not really a long I (as in like) or a short u like in up. More like the sound, just before the L sound of bottle. I'm sure the liguists have a word for it.
It looks like we aren't the only ones unsure of our pronunciation.
Google "hydrocardigans" (I tried to post a link- it died)

[Edited on 31-7-2006 by unionised]

turd - 31-7-2006 at 12:50

A voiceless glottal plosive?