I think the nitration of pentazole gave a strong energetic material.
N5-NO2
for instance
3-nitro-1,2,3,4,5-cyclopentazole
PHILOU Zrealone - 7-4-2003 at 04:00
What made you think that?
Cyclopentazole should be CN5 squeleton!
The possible nitration in 3 would mean that C has 2 H and one of the N has 1:
CH2(-N=N-)2NH -HNO3-> CH2(-N=N-)2N-NO2 + H2O
5 membered nitrogen rings do not exist (yet ), except the pentazole ion . Even that has only been isolated as a compund with AsF6-, I think, and that exploded
while they were carrying out tests on it. You might want to check that, there may have been more developments but that was the last that I heard on
the subject.
Tetrazole exists, I have 2kg of 5-aminotetrazole. Even on it's own it is quite energetic, if you heat some up on a spoon after a short while it
will start a fairly violent self-sustaining decomposition.
The nitrate salt is really good stuff, it is the only nitrate salt I've encountered that is easy to set off with a hammer blow . I would guess that it would be powerful compared to other nitrates, too. A great
use for it is 5-ATZN dynamite, but I don't make it too often since I have not found any safety data for the nitrate. Also when I make a batch of
5-ATZN I end up burning most of it since it makes a really nice flame .Krypton - 7-4-2003 at 07:00
(>N=N=N=N=N<-(NO2)Krypton - 7-4-2003 at 08:26
Here a little draw of nitropentazole.
BASF - 7-4-2003 at 13:35
Quote:
Tetrazole exists, I have 2kg of 5-aminotetrazole. Even on it's own it is quite energetic, if you heat some up on a spoon after a short while it
will start a fairly violent self-sustaining decomposition.
Wow!
Where did you get that stuff?
- You must have been selling your home for that quantity i guess....
Sigma-Aldrich??
Really keen, HLRmadscientist - 7-4-2003 at 14:37
Nick, you should try oxidizing the amino group in your 5-aminotetrazole to a nitro group, ozone being the oxidant. Just imagine 5-nitrotetrazole! Nick F - 8-4-2003 at 04:25
I would rather not reveal my exact source, but I will say that a bit of searching on the net and a few nice e-mails can get you a lot of nice things
.
The original plan was to make 5-aminotetrazole dinitramide, N4HCNH3(+) (-)N(NO2)2, but without dry ice (ie, using my freezer which gets to around
-22*C) the yield of KDN that I've been getting is hardly worth bothering to make, and I don't get dry ice very often.
HNO2 turns it into ditetrazolyltriazine, which seems surprisingly stable (the sample I made is still here, and still seems normal...), but all
oxidising agents I've tried so far turn it into a load of bubbles .
tetrazoles
Krypton - 9-4-2003 at 09:22
Why ditetrazoyltriazine and not 2,4,6-tritetrazoyl-1,3,5-triazine ?
A other examble of the tetrazine family is
3,6-bis(3,5-diaminopyrazoyl)-1,2,4,5-tetrazine a stable expensive secondary explosive.Krypton - 9-4-2003 at 09:54
sorry, a little copy mistake in my last post.
The correct name of course
3,6-bis(3,5-diaminotetrazolyl)-1,2,4,5-tetrazinePHILOU Zrealone - 10-4-2003 at 06:02
Ok! I see!
N5-NO2 thus nitrocyclopentaazapentadiene!
the topic question
was nitrocyclopentazole
and not
nitropentazole
PHILOU Zrealone - 14-4-2003 at 05:08
>pentanitrocyclopentaazapentadiene >NNO2-NNO2-NNO2-NNO2-NNO2-
-This is pentanitrocyclopentaazapentane!
No dienicdiaza -N=N- here!
>pentanitrocyclopentaazapentadienecyclopentadi>ene >[{5[(-N-N-)2N-NO2]}C5H]
-Could you make a drawing, I think there is something wrong here
>the topic question was nitrocyclopentazole >and not nitropentazole
-Unless I'm wrong you wrote in the first post:
"I think the nitration of pentazole gave a strong energetic material. N5-NO2
for instance 3-nitro-1,2,3,4,5-cyclopentazole"
I don't know what to think or to answer, you are rather confusing Krypton - 14-4-2003 at 09:23
When your cyclopentaazapentadiene nitrated with five than the nito name
I don`t know, the electron bounds in example 1 can be true with 4 ????
bromo-RDX?
BASF - 7-5-2003 at 06:14
I wonder wether it would be possible to brominate RDX...
Mild conditions.
The problem is, i know few to nothing about nitramine-chemistry.....
This could yield an explosive with zero to positive oxygen-balance and an incredible density.
The stability could be still good if bromine is used instead of chlorine, which is also less selective.
I mention this idea especially because RDX is within reach without using acetic anhydride, bromination should also be easy.
I have a procedure on how to free bromine from bromides, the stage of reaction can be monitored by the coulor of the solution.
When the bromine reacts, the solution slowly decoulorizes.
HLR
[Edited on 7-5-2003 by BASF]Krypton - 8-5-2003 at 04:55
BASF,
What will you do with this stuff ?
Something like explosives for grandmothers.BASF - 8-5-2003 at 04:59
I still prefer realizable ideas.PHILOU Zrealone - 2-6-2003 at 10:49
Good idea BASF!
halogenation of RDX might work but as you said the C-N link might not survive the halide.
Anyway the halide will have higher densities and must then because their OB is improved lead to higher brisance and VOD performances.
(-CHX-N(NO2)-)3 where X = F, Cl, Br or I
Those haloRDX are also interesting because they might be precursor for couplage reactions of other explosophoric groups.
Maybe a different way of action must be investigated!
CH3-O-CH=O + NH2-NO2 --> CH3-O-CH=N-NO2
3CH3-O-CH=N-NO2 --> (-CH(OCH3)-N(NO2)-)3
(-CH(OCH3)-N(NO2)-)3 +3 HBr(g) --> (-CH(OH)-N(NO2)-)3 + CH3Br(g) or (-CHBr-N(NO2)-)3 + CH3OHKrypton - 2-6-2003 at 15:22
Sorry to say but genealogy has nothing to do with bromination.
Unless it was a bad taste joke , you have made a mistake in the link! Krypton - 5-6-2003 at 16:06
This was a insinuation to some members in the forum which scattering some topic themes with crap. PHILOU Zrealone - 6-6-2003 at 09:12
Sabotage on sciencemadness?BASF - 6-6-2003 at 09:58
Quote:
Good idea BASF!
wow, from the big master. Let´s mark the day red in the calendar.
Hmm, would the bromine change places with the nitro-group on the aza-function?
This would be bad... maybe one could attach a protective-group to the the aza-function, then halogenate then remove the protective-group and oxidize.
Arrrgh....how complicated this got again.
BTW, pat. GB 615793 mentions a linear nitramine with 3 nitro-groups on the aza-functions and 2 nitrate-groups at the ends of the chain. It has a MW
over 400g/mol, despite this it performed very well in the Trauzl test(580ccm), and this at a density of 0.7g/ccm...
Not a big surprise then, this simple molecule with OB near zero is sensitive as hell(3 times more sensitive than PETN)...
Maybe stabilization via hydrogen-bonding? - What if one would replace two of the nitro-groups with 2 -NH2-functions instead of it ....
So you can make sodium tetrazolide by reacting hydrogen cyanide and sodium azide. To get 1-nitrotetrazole, react this with a nitryl salt. And to get
1-azido-5-nitrotetrazole, do the above mentioned procedure but use cyanogen chloride (if you dare ) or, alternately, use chlorazide and hydrogen cyanide and then react with a nitryl salt or use straight nitryl
cyanide, then react your product with sodium azide.
To get 5-azido-1-nitrotetrazole, use cyanogen azide and hydrazoc acid, then react with a nitryl salt.
Both of these compounds have perfect OB and presumably VoDs, as 5-nitrotetrazole has a VoD of more than 8.5 km/s.