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Elemental bromine, electrolytic method

Cou - 12-10-2014 at 11:55

In this video, bromine is made by electrolysis of a sodium bromide solution with hexavalent chromium. My quick question is, will this still work if I do it with thin 3-gage platinum wires for both electrodes, instead of carbon? Since the platinum wire has less surface area than large carbon rods, it might not work right

Metacelsus - 12-10-2014 at 12:33

I've used a platinum coated titanium anode. Pt works, but the limited surface area would slow down the reaction.

Cou - 12-10-2014 at 13:12

Quote: Originally posted by Cheddite Cheese  
I've used a platinum coated titanium anode. Pt works, but the limited surface area would slow down the reaction.


I thought that in electrolysis, the surface area of the electrode doesn't change the rate of reaction, as long as you have the same number of amps going through it. It just means the electricity comes out of a smaller area, instead of being spread out, so the electrode corrodes faster. Which isn't a problem with platinum

phlogiston - 12-10-2014 at 13:17

True, although at some point the rate at which ions can diffuse to the electrode surface becomes limiting.

hyfalcon - 12-10-2014 at 13:18

You might be surprised what the harsh conditions in an electrolytic cell can do to platinum. It's slow but there's still degradation, especially when you have to great of a charge density on your anode.

Cou - 12-10-2014 at 13:36

So it'll work just as well as carbon, if I wrap a large amount of wire into the solution for more surface area. And thin platinum wire from elementalscientific.net is affordable, it's like $8 per roll

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hyfalcon - 12-10-2014 at 13:44

Reduce your current and up your run time.

Dan Vizine - 15-10-2014 at 07:27

Cou, what's the goal here? To obtain Br or to do electrolysis?

If you only want the Br for another purpose, NaBr + H2SO4 + KMnO4 is much easier.

MrHomeScientist - 15-10-2014 at 09:08

I'm guessing the video you mention is mine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKjyM2AkZSY (because at the time I posted it, it was the only one on YouTube! Not sure if there are others now)

I agree with hyfalcon about reducing your current to put less stress on your electrodes. Platinum is good stuff, but not invincible! I really liked this method vs others because it produces very little fumes. Pictures of distillation rigs filled with dense bromine gas have always made me uneasy for when it comes time to disassemble things. I also like electrolysis because it uses very OTC materials (except the dichromate, but that's not strictly necessary).

This was probably my favorite experiment I've done so far, and bromine is one of my favorite elements.