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Nitrogen triiodide + AgNO3

wish i had a kraken!!! - 12-3-2014 at 02:20

Does anyone tried this :

Nitrogen triiodide + AgNO3

what will be the production of this reaction???

Dornier 335A - 12-3-2014 at 03:28

Sorry, but why would anyone try that?
Assuming the AgNO3 would decompose and not just be scattered around, the reaction products would be a mixture of Ag, I2, N2, O2, NH4I and maybe some H2O and NOx.

bismuthate - 12-3-2014 at 03:30

Well presumably the NI3 will just explode.

Metacelsus - 12-3-2014 at 05:06

Are you trying to make trinitramide? (If yes, than you need silver nitrite for a remotely plausible reaction.) However, the NI3 will still probably explode.

DubaiAmateurRocketry - 12-3-2014 at 05:55

I think he is trying to make trinitramide. Trinitramide can be synthesized from potassium dinitramide and nitronium sulfate/perchlorate/tetrafluoroborate or something that can ion exchange.

[Edited on 12-3-2014 by DubaiAmateurRocketry]

wish i had a kraken!!! - 12-3-2014 at 07:04

Quote: Originally posted by Dornier 335A  
Sorry, but why would anyone try that?
Assuming the AgNO3 would decompose and not just be scattered around, the reaction products would be a mixture of Ag, I2, N2, O2, NH4I and maybe some H2O and NOx.


Because I thought maybe AgNO3 would react with NI3 the Iodine Ion substitute by NO3 and forms NNO3 is it possible???

wish i had a kraken!!! - 12-3-2014 at 07:08

Quote: Originally posted by Cheddite Cheese  
Are you trying to make trinitramide? (If yes, than you need silver nitrite for a remotely plausible reaction.) However, the NI3 will still probably explode.


Not exactly I want to know is it possible to make N(NO3)3???
and what are the efficient ways?

DubaiAmateurRocketry - 12-3-2014 at 08:10

Quote: Originally posted by wish i had a kraken!!!  
Quote: Originally posted by Cheddite Cheese  
Are you trying to make trinitramide? (If yes, than you need silver nitrite for a remotely plausible reaction.) However, the NI3 will still probably explode.


Not exactly I want to know is it possible to make N(NO3)3???
and what are the efficient ways?


I think only N(NO2)3 is possible.

I wonder if dinitramic acid can make dinitramide oxide anion. This dinitrmide oxide anion might be more stable in terms of impact sensitivity than dinitramide anion.

DraconicAcid - 12-3-2014 at 09:16

I always wondered what silver azide and nitrogen tiriodide would react to give (although every time I ponder it, I can hear my first-year prof's voice saying, "That's no' gonna be verra stable...."

PHILOU Zrealone - 12-3-2014 at 10:07

Maybe AgI + N(NO3)3 but the later will disproportionate to N2O4 and N2O5.
Maybe Ag iodate or periodate and NxOy.
Maybe Ag3N and I-ONO2.

For sure an explosion because NI3 is usually complexed by NH3 as NH3.NI3 and NH3 with AgNO3 makes sensitive silver nitrides AgNH2, Ag2NH and Ag3N.

DubaiAmateurRocketry - 12-3-2014 at 10:45

Quote: Originally posted by DraconicAcid  
I always wondered what silver azide and nitrogen tiriodide would react to give (although every time I ponder it, I can hear my first-year prof's voice saying, "That's no' gonna be verra stable...."


Triazidoamine ? That might be too much, what about monoazidoamine? We can probably even protonate it to give salts.

Turner - 12-3-2014 at 11:46

What the HELL is a kranken????

roXefeller - 12-3-2014 at 11:50

Release the KRAKEN! An oldie but a goodie.

wish i had a kraken!!! - 12-3-2014 at 12:08

Quote: Originally posted by Turner  
What the HELL is a kranken????


Watch the movie "clash of the titans" u'll find out what Kraken is!!!

and remember: "even GODS fear from Kraken!"

wish i had a kraken!!! - 12-3-2014 at 12:09

Quote: Originally posted by roXefeller  
Release the KRAKEN! An oldie but a goodie.


U just mentioned my favorite sentence!!!

wish i had a kraken!!! - 12-3-2014 at 12:26

Plz somebody do it !!!

I mean add AgNO3 to NI3

[Edited on 13-3-2014 by wish i had a kraken!!!]

The_Davster - 12-3-2014 at 17:55

This is a warning. Increase the quality of your posts, kraken. This can include mentioning what experiments or literature searching you have done, or if postulating new science, back it up with historical precedent.

The lit says a mix of NCl3 and NaN3 in acetone will precipitate sodium chloride, and detonates upon attempting evaporation. I expect similar for this reaction, and the N-O-N bond is not going to be very stable. It may decompose instantly in solution releasing nitrogen.

DraconicAcid - 12-3-2014 at 18:38

Quote: Originally posted by The_Davster  
The lit says a mix of NCl3 and NaN3 in acetone will precipitate sodium chloride, and detonates upon attempting evaporation.


Really? I'm impressed anyone was ever brave enough to try it....

DubaiAmateurRocketry - 12-3-2014 at 21:50

Quote: Originally posted by DraconicAcid  
Quote: Originally posted by The_Davster  
The lit says a mix of NCl3 and NaN3 in acetone will precipitate sodium chloride, and detonates upon attempting evaporation.


Really? I'm impressed anyone was ever brave enough to try it....


What is the paper? Have they tried NMR and etc characterisation on the liquid ? It could be azidoamines.

The_Davster - 12-3-2014 at 22:02

Have no clue what paper it was, just something that got stuck in my brain at some point while reading. If I had to guess it may have been under NCl3 in Federoff, or maybe under "triazidoamine" or something similar.