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Dean Stark v/s Packed Reflux column

organosurf - 10-3-2014 at 01:50

Dean Stark apparatus is used to remove water formed in a reaction. This apparatus is complex in design and is also of two types.
Can Molecular Sieves ( 3A or 4A ) be employed either in the flask, a procedure that may be limited due to acidic or basic nature of reactants OR more so, in the Reflux column as a packed “cartridge” that can be inserted and removed as the reaction progresses.
In a packed column as the reactants come in contact with the molecular sieves, they condense and drip back into the flask, adsorbing only water in the process.
The cartridge can be a small diameter wire gauze tube filled with granules of the molecular sieve.
To know the amount of water adsorbed, the cartridge can be warmed in an oven to expel volatile organics and weighed ( before and after insertion ).
Especially suited for reactants whose boiling point is less than water.

Tsjerk - 10-3-2014 at 07:20

I think that should work when the temperature of the reaction is high enough to make enough water evaporate, or when your solvent forms an azeotrope with your water.

But if I remember correctly, the absorption of water by molecular sieves isn't particularly quick.

The water weighing won't work though, as water also evaporates from sieves upon heating.

[Edited on 10-3-2014 by Tsjerk]

organosurf - 14-3-2014 at 09:15

Thanks, I got the points which I missed eg the rate of water adsorption by sieves and final weighing errors.

Oscilllator - 14-3-2014 at 14:59

Look at the most recent page of the pretty pictures thread - I posted there an improvised dean-stark apparatus, and its definitely worth looking into.

Paddywhacker - 14-3-2014 at 15:17

Yes, this is a technique sometimes used, especially with the molecular sieve being held in a soxhlet apparatus. Be aware though that molecular sieve is alkaline enough to catalyse the aldol condensation, so ketones like acetone might not be good choices of solvent.