Sciencemadness Discussion Board

Piped gas and zippo

kevinlimse - 17-11-2004 at 19:26

What gas do they put in Piped Gas and zippo fluids to give them the "fuel" smell? and is it combustable?

Blind Angel - 17-11-2004 at 19:29

Fuel
Hydrocarbon to be more precise, mostly hexane, pentane, heptane (the lower boiling point liquid hydrocarbons)

neutrino - 17-11-2004 at 20:17

It's usually various mercapitans and sulfur-containing molecules.

Harpoon - 21-11-2004 at 15:15

Mercaptans have an -SH group and are flammable.

They can be named by naming the parent compound immediately followed by the word thiol. The -SH group can also be named as a substituent using the group name, sulfhydryl. Mercaptans can also be named by naming the carbon group as a separate word followed by the word mercaptan. For example:
methanethiol
sulfhydrylmethane
methyl mercaptan

(stolen from http://chemistry.boisestate.edu/rbanks/organic/nomenclature/...)

As methyl mercaptan has a boiling point of 5.9°C, would this be the one used in natural gas? Ethyl mercaptan has a boiling point of 35°C, and would therefore be a liquid at room temperature.

neutrino - 21-11-2004 at 16:17

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Originally posted by Harpoon
Ethyl mercaptan has a boiling point of 35°C, and would therefore be a liquid at room temperature.


Actually, this wouldn't matter. As long as it has some vapor pressure at room temp, some will be in the vapor state.

Soil939 - 14-12-2004 at 20:23

Is butane a cleaner fuel source than the gas they put in zippos? Not really a science question just out of interest.

FrankRizzo - 15-12-2004 at 14:34

"gas they put in Zippo's"??

Normal Zippo lighters don't use a gas fuel; they use a liquid (naphtha) and a wick. Your average BIC uses butane gas with a mercaptan.

The naphtha fuel used for Zippo's doesn't contain any adulterants to make it smell. Because it’s already a mixture of many different hydrocarbons, the lower BP ones give it the characteristic odor.

cyclonite4 - 16-12-2004 at 03:59

Being a pyromaniac, i have a large amount of refillable lighters (my zippo is broken, my fave :( ). I refill my gas lighters with "Butane Lighter Refill" ( 'duh ). I would have originally believed these to contain relatively pure butane, as they say stuff like "Filtered", "Purified", etc.

Does anyone know why a mercaptan is added?

Oxydro - 16-12-2004 at 05:20

I think it's a safety feature -- so you can smell leaks more easily.

OT: If it's a real zippo you have, the company has a repair-for-free policy.... you might want to take advantage of it.

[Edited on 16-12-2004 by Oxydro]

FrankRizzo - 17-12-2004 at 00:37

Absolutely, it's added as a safety feature. Iso-butane is basically odorless.

You can find butane without the mercaptans added though. Brands such as Colibri, or others that have statements like "triple filtered" often do not contain the additive, and are good for non-polar solvent extractions.

cyclonite4 - 17-12-2004 at 03:26

Yeah, leak detection makes sense. I do however, have an unused can of one that claims "multi-filtered" and "pure" butane.

Thanks for that.