underground - 6-1-2014 at 22:51
Ok yesterday i have successfully made some Guanidine nitrate out of AN/U and SIlica Gel. The product it looks really in appearance like ETN. My point
is to make an explosive with good VoD as a secondary out of this salt. I would going to nitroguanidine but i have heard that it is really difficult to
detonate, so what options i have next ?
Ral123 - 7-1-2014 at 09:32
Guanidine nitrate is similar to UN IIRC. It may be turned to nitro guanidine with H2SO4 IIRC and become wonderful, safe material, with flashless
detonation.
underground - 7-1-2014 at 10:07
It is said that it is hard to detonate, what about its products, like aminoguanidine nitrate or nitroguanidine nitrate or something like that...
Ral123 - 7-1-2014 at 10:29
Nitroguanidine nitrate-the legend says it's more powerful then HMX and it's the poor man's elite explosives equivalent. Density about 2, velocity
about 9300 and a guy has ripped a whole in a concrete wall with some of it 
If
it wasn't acidic and with doubtful storage stability, I'd be making some for blast cap base charges and mini boosters.
underground - 7-1-2014 at 10:49
What else can be made out of NG ? Is it possible the ammonium nitroguanidine or i do not know what else you can do with this salt...
diaminoguanidine. triaminoguanidine, nitrosoguanidine, diaminoguanidine nitrate....
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Dornier 335A - 7-1-2014 at 12:06
There is dinitroguanidine - slightly unstable and slowly hydrolyses to nitroguanidine in water. It forms salts with bases. The calculated detonation
velocity of the ammonium salt is 9066 m/s.
There is also aminonitroguanidine nitrate. The detonation velocity is 9750 m/s, detonation pressure 419 kbar. It's rather insensitive, more so than
RDX, but its thermal stability is not that great.
underground - 7-1-2014 at 13:51
Dinitroguanidine i think it needs N2O5.
Something else, you said:
"There is dinitroguanidine - slightly unstable and slowly hydrolyses to nitroguanidine in water. It forms salts with bases. The calculated detonation
velocity of the ammonium salt is 9066 m/s."
The same think it happens to the ammonium salt of dinitroguanidine or it is more stable and does not hydrolyses ?
aminonitroguanidine nitrate needs hydrazine and i am not going to play with that.
I also can not find any information on aminoguanidine nitrate... it bay be interesting with good performance and not such a painful to make.
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