Is this a new way to make AP

Hi everyone I recently got a small amount of this.

So I measured out 12 ml of the peroxide mix and 12ml of acetone.


I then mixed them together.


I then put the mix in the freezer for one hour and mixed in 8ml of HCL.


After 45 minutes in freezer.


After one more hour in freezer then 11 hours in fridge.


The reaction mixture goes almost like a frozen Slurpee.


Final weight.


To me it seems to be a lot better yield than plain peroxide but im no expert, thoughts everyone.

I do not see anything really special in this. This oxysan product is just some acetic acid with hydrogen peroxide in water. Acetic acid and peroxyacetic acid will be in equilibrium.

You can make this product yourself if you take 30...35% hydrogen peroxide and for each 100 ml of hydrogen peroxide you add appr. 5 ml of concentrated acetic acid, mix and allow to stand for some time in a cool place.

Btw, do you feel safe with so much AP around in a dry state??
To my opinion you are asking for trouble. What if this 6 grams of AP sets off while you are handling it? You easily loose a finger or two or even more with 6 grams of AP setting of unexpectedly. It only requires a little abuse to provoke a nasty accident.

Quote: Originally posted by woelen

I do not see anything really special in this. This oxysan product is just some acetic acid with hydrogen peroxide in water. Acetic acid and peroxyacetic acid will be in equilibrium. You can make this product yourself if you take 30...35% hydrogen peroxide and for each 100 ml of hydrogen peroxide you add appr. 5 ml of concentrated acetic acid, mix and allow to stand for some time in a cool place. Btw, do you feel safe with so much AP around in a dry state?? To my opinion you are asking for trouble. What if this 6 grams of AP sets off while you are handling it? You easily loose a finger or two or even more with 6 grams of AP setting of unexpectedly. It only requires a little abuse to provoke a nasty accident.

If you call AP "inreactive", what then must be "reactive" chemicals?

Don't fool yourself. AP has maimed many people already and I am afraid it will do so for many more

Quote: Originally posted by papaya

Why solution is brown?

Antiswat : yes turkish and yes it looks safe but why is it yellow may be non pure chemicals can be but there is h2o2 %50pure in here or it can be from sulfuric acid ? I don't know I don't have experinces with ap I asked to him but he didn't see it yet


[Edited on 26-7-2013 by Peroksit]

Hi every one, i didn't post here to cause trouble, or to give some young kid information to blow himself up ,i mean you have a forum with a energetics section with a plethora of explosive compounds they could synthesize ,or they could possibly look at the other 3,300,000 results Google gives them by typing in acetone peroxide, i posted here because your banner says its supports the art and science of amateur experimentalism.


I am just curious that the reaction seems to work so well with the peroxyacetic acid, the first time i tried this synth i cooled every thing down in the freezer first, mixed the peroxyacetic acid and acetone and left it in the fridge overnight, when i checked it in the morning on the way to work there was nothing there, i was thinking the peroxyacetic acid would work like the hcl/sulphuric acid and catalyst the ap out .
When i got home that night the jar was still empty no ap , so i mixed in some hcl in just to see what would happen, and when i checked in a hour the jar was almost solid with ap. got rid of that in a hurry.

This is were the difference is, if i do the same reaction but with 50% peroxide and no peroxyacetic acid i can only get 1.4 gms at the most instead of 6.2gm with the peroxyacetic acid mix.

This post i read recently got me wondering what i have really got here, maybe the acetone and peroxyacetic acid are giving off something different.

quote=72729&tid=6342&author=franklyn]I'm thinking that given that Acetic acid readily forms Peracetic acid,
the ester of Acetic acid and Methanol, Methylacetate,
may form a peroxy trimer as well:
C9H18O9. TrimethylacetateTriperoxide.
Better oxygen balance should promote complete
disarrangement yielding 18 moles of gas , 9CO + 9H2


I have had under .3gm ap in a zip lock bag stored for 3 months to see if it becomes even more dangerious with age and haven't seen any changes yet, impact tests with mg amounts still show it needs a fairly hard impact to detonate and the ap? hasn't volatized at all in the bag, no sign of recrystallization.

Ps i don't really need to use ap as a primary, mercury fulminate potassium chlorate 80/20 is my 1st choice i just got the peroxyacetic acid mix and wondered if it would work. Cheers nuxy.

When you speak about comparison of yields you have to be 100% sure that all the experimental conditions were identical. At least I don't see how you figured out you hydrogen peroxides' concentrations, if it was just written on the bottle that's not enough, at least you have to do some titration (don't ask me for a procedure). Also if it were possible to find out if peracetic acid is used up in reaction it would be great.
And the color - does it smell of chlorine when you add HCL to peracetic acid? (always was curious if chloroacetones are able to form peroxide like acetone - that can explain weight gain ).

Quote: Originally posted by papaya

When you speak about comparison of yields you have to be 100% sure that all the experimental conditions were identical. At least I don't see how you figured out you hydrogen peroxides' concentrations, if it was just written on the bottle that's not enough, at least you have to do some titration (don't ask me for a procedure). Also if it were possible to find out if peracetic acid is used up in reaction it would be great. And the color - does it smell of chlorine when you add HCL to peracetic acid? (always was curious if chloroacetones are able to form peroxide like acetone - that can explain weight gain ).

mix ap with guncotton disolved into acetone this is more stable and good for worc primary exploziv