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LAH + THF

soma - 15-5-2013 at 19:01

Is there a reaction between LAH and THF? I noticed that there is always fizzing when LAH is added to THF even after there's no longer any traces of water left in the THF.

Nicodem - 16-5-2013 at 06:29

The solvation of LiAlH4 with THF is very exothermic and should be done with extreme care, but there is no actual reaction going on.

Dr.Bob - 16-5-2013 at 10:00

There is if you don't purge the flask with nitrogen first... It usually involves a fire if doe on a large scale. Seen it once. Not a good idea, especially if the THF is not real dry.

I would suggest always purging the empty, dry, flask with N2, then putting the THF or LAH in next, then purge the flask again carefully, then slowly adding the other (depending on scale, for small scale, add LAH second, for larger, sometimes easier to cannulate the THF in to flask of LAH, but ONLY if under N2.) and slowly adding the substrate as a soln in THF to the LAH slurry with good mixing. With Boranes, it is possible to react the boranes with the THF, if refluxing, to make 1,4-butanediol. This is harder to do with LAH, but I would guess it can happen if you let it get hot enough. Note, 1,4-butanediol is a real pain to remove from any product, being high boiling, somewhat water soluble, semi-polar and UV transparent. It sucks.

soma - 18-5-2013 at 10:12

Quote: Originally posted by Nicodem  
The solvation of LiAlH4 with THF is very exothermic and should be done with extreme care, but there is no actual reaction going on.


Wondering why it is exothermic?

Bot0nist - 18-5-2013 at 10:28

Search "enthalpy change in solution" on google or wikipedia.