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Barium oxalate under microscope

booboy - 15-4-2013 at 03:14

I wanted some Barium Oxalate (no particular reason, just another reagent to add to my collection). I know that Barium Oxalate precipitates out rather slowly, so I preapared solutions of Barium Chloride and Oxalic Acid in stoichiemetric proportions and mixed the two. I immediately placed a small drop of the mixture onto a microscope slide, and was able to view the slow growth of crystalline product. Fascinating!
Anyone know of any other similar that I could try?

NOTE. I should point out that I was seeing the crystals PRECIPITATING out of solution, not crystallizing out as the solution evaporated.

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Mailinmypocket - 15-4-2013 at 03:22

I have made a sulfur solution in carbon tetrachloride and played a drop on a slide, watch the solvent evaporate and the sulfur crystals grow. Quite nice :) you could also use carbon disulfide or toluene as well.

booboy - 15-4-2013 at 03:28

Thanks, I'm not sure how readily available these chemicals are here in the UK, but I'll look around. Not sure I want to handle the CS2 though, I get enough
rotten cabbage smell from the wife's cooking!

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Mailinmypocket - 15-4-2013 at 03:55

Toluene should be easy enough to find, I hear you about the CS2 stink though... Toluene may in fact make nicer crystals since it evaporates slower than the other two solvents (and smells rather nice too, in my opinion anyways). You might also want to try making a small puddle of water on a slide and placing a crystal of potassium iodide in one end, and some lead nitrate in the other. When the chemicals dissolve and the fronts meet, you will see the precipitate of lead iodide in close detail. Forum member Woelen has a page on his site about this (although not under the microscope I believe) that you might want to check out.

Watching silver crystals form with copper and silver nitrate is nice, same with acidified tin chloride and metallic zinc- watch tin crystals grow. Various organics in volatile solvents like dichloromethane are nice to watch crystallize under the microscope too, some more impressive than others.

booboy - 15-4-2013 at 05:32

Thanks again, certainly a few things to try there.
Currently, I don't have a large stock of reagents, which is one reason why I synthesise my own where possible.
I don't have any lead or tin salts, although I think I could get some lead (probably as the carbonate) from pottery supplies. (From whence I obtained the Barium Carbonate)
When I was working, I could get almost anything I needed, pity I didn't 'squirrel some away' before I retired. (But that would have been stealing, so nono there).
Thanks again for the reply and the ideas. ;)

DraconicAcid - 15-4-2013 at 11:28

I've had great results with a sliver of copper foil and a drop of silver nitrate solution.

12AX7 - 15-4-2013 at 21:14

Hmm, anything that dissolves in MeOH or EtOH, say, vanillin would be good?

Tim

booboy - 20-4-2013 at 07:09

Thanks DA, the Cu foil and AgNO3 worked a treat!

Thanks also to 12AX7, I haven't tried this yet. Don't have any Ethanol (except in the form of white rum), but I have Methanol aplenty.
I also don't have any Vanillin, but I'm inclined towards using Ascorbic Acid.

mayko - 20-4-2013 at 09:06

I got good results with crystallizing vitamin C from isopropanol. It would start to crystallize at nucleation sites, with a largish crystal forming at the site and a wave of crystallization spreading out radially. What was especially interesting is that the wave slowed down as it traveled, finally stopping (critical slowing down?). At this point, new nucleation sites on the outer edge of the circle will spawn new waves of crystallization. This is very cool under the scope! For extra flair, add some polarizing filters. The ascorbic acid molecule is chiral, and should rotate polarized light to different extents according to wavelength, which should result in some pretty colors :)

Eddygp - 24-4-2013 at 11:56

Well, I have seen many crystallisations and precipitations under the microscope: CuSO4, Cu(OAc)2, PbI2, CoBr2, etc.
It actually depends on what you want to see. I personally enjoyed the PbI2 precipitation (and I later dissolved it in hotter water to crystallise it too, under the microscope), but I suppose that many other ones are equally satisfying.