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does anyone have some red phosphorus that they would be willing to sell?

TheChemINC - 21-8-2012 at 12:11

hey guys (and gals),

I was just wondering if anyone has any extra or unneeded red phosphorus that they would be willing to sell. i dont want to waste time scraping it off of match boxes.

Thanks,
Alex

Hexavalent - 21-8-2012 at 12:16

If you're in the US, then I wouldn't bother. Maybe match-head scraping is the best idea after all.

Fossil - 21-8-2012 at 14:09

Quote: Originally posted by Hexavalent  
Maybe match-head scraping is the best idea after all.


Actually match heads contain potassium chlorate, and some sulfur, I think. The match box strips are what you would be after if you want some phosphorus.

If I recall correctly, the glue keeping the P stuck onto the match box can be dissolved with acetone, so there really is no need to scrape. Just dip the strip into a petri dish filled with a few mm of acetone.

Hexavalent - 22-8-2012 at 04:23

Ah, yes. Thanks Fossil:)

Bot0nist - 22-8-2012 at 04:59

Buying the large boxes that have lots of little books of matches in it is the best. If your in the US nobody is going to want to sell you any RP, so processing hundreds of match book strickers like a tweaker is likely your best option.

P.S. the acetone trick does the trick...

chemrox - 22-8-2012 at 14:44

I bought a lb of it, what's the big problem? I'm in the US its a listed precursor but so is everything else.

Vogelzang - 22-8-2012 at 16:01

Do you know where I can get any red phosphorus?



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elementcollector1 - 24-8-2012 at 12:06

From a matchbox. I need to distill some acetone, as it's not locally available, but I do have quite a few matchboxes.

zed - 28-8-2012 at 17:55

A lot of folks have trouble acquiring Phosphorus and some of its salts. With the recently enacted restrictions on the sale of Ephedrine and Pseudoephedrine....pressure on Iodine and Phosphorus sales may be easing somewhat.

In the case of Iodine restriction....regular folks have been raising a ruckus. Overzealous enforcement has been uncomfortably squeezing some cattle and dairy farmers. They need the use of Iodine for disinfection purposes.

Phosphorus is probably still a bitch to buy. But, it is possible you could use unconventional means to make some. In the Phosphorus link, someone has suggested that Red Phosphorus can be produced by reducing Phosphorus compounds with Lithium Aluminum Hydride. I'm assuming Sodium Aluminum Hydride
might also achieve this result. If you have a pressure reactor, or the use of one.....
it is possible to produce your own Sodium Aluminum Hydride.

Otherwise, federal statutes suggest that anyone who sells even a gram of Phosphorus, had damned well better have a permit.

neptunium - 28-8-2012 at 18:24

ha the good old days when i had a pound of red and white P !!! in the 90's!
today i mixed bone ash (calcium phosphate) aluminum powder and a bit of silica (SiO2) on my BBQ grill to get a little bit of white P under water in a bucket....
thats all you can do !
and the old matchbox and acetone trick...
good luck! plenty of thread on the subject!