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Russian HyperLab: reformed and renewed

Antoncho - 5-2-2012 at 01:17

Hello guys and girls!

I beg everyone's pardon for posting this into the organic chemistry forum - I thouight I couldn't find a place more fit for this announcement since our forum is dedicated to organic chemistry in essence.

So anyway, all I want is to inform you that https://www.hyperlab.info, the Russian-speaking forum of hobby chemists, has undergone some changes in the turn of this year.

The most important of these for you guys would be the fact that posting in English is now allowed all throughout the forum.

So, you shouldn't be shy to drop by whether it is to ask a chemical question or to request an article or even - who knows - to submit some useful piece of chemical knowledge.

I also rewrote from scratch a preface for the English-speaking comrades, with all the hints and tips you might need, and here is the direct link for it:

https://www.hyperlab.info/inv/index.php?act=ST&f=17&...

Once again I apologize for posting this here

Hope some of you will find this post useful.

Antoncho

Magpie - 5-2-2012 at 13:33

I would like to look at the Russian site Antoncho but the links won't work for me. I'm running Firefox and get a "site untrusted" message.

Pulverulescent - 5-2-2012 at 13:44

I remember getting unexpected hard porn on a similar Russian site . . .
I didn't hang around, just in case!

P

turd - 5-2-2012 at 14:43

Sigh. The HyperLab always made me wish I had learned Russian (as do some textbooks).

But being terribly untalented in languages and the 6+ cases times 3 genders and the exceptions and the difficult pronunciation and the alphabet and lack of time makes this hopeless. The online translators work quite well for the chemistry postings, but the rest comes out as total gibberish. Possibly because of dialect/slang?

Quote: Originally posted by Pulverulescent

I remember getting unexpected hard porn on a similar Russian site . . .
I didn't hang around, just in case!

Associating the HyperLab with sleazy parts of the internet is an affront! You should be ashamed. Site works perfectly for me (also using Firefox).

Ephoton - 5-2-2012 at 14:58

thanx Antoncho this is awesome

hey whats the 3rd gender or should I not ask

It is looking more like the hive I must say.

I think its a great move to bring the english world into ru.

Lets hope it doesnt cause them the same problems the hive
had though.

I notice there are more forums as well oh the excitment

[Edited on 5-2-2012 by Ephoton]

Bot0nist - 5-2-2012 at 16:19

Quote: Originally posted by Magpie

I would like to look at the Russian site Antoncho but the links won't work for me. I'm running Firefox and get a "site untrusted" message.

It's throwing the "untrusted flag." The site works if you allow the browser access. It is just warning you that the site may not be secure, to the best of my very limited knowledge on the subject.

Lambda-Eyde - 5-2-2012 at 16:32

Quote: Originally posted by Antoncho

So anyway, all I want is to inform you that https://www.hyperlab.info, the Russian-speaking forum of hobby chemists, has undergone some changes in the turn of this year.

Hobby chemists, eh? Let's have a look at that site of yours... "MDA trip report", "Favorite psychedelic", "2C-E", "MDMA", "amphetamine from alanine"... If you're running a drug forum, just be honest about it. Don't use "hobby chemistry" as some sort of cover or excuse.

I don't wanna be associated with such activities when I mention to my professor that I'm looking into buying a rotavap or spectrophotometer!

Ephoton - 5-2-2012 at 18:01

Look out he has a "professor"

This baby means business.

Why tell ya prof that your going to buy a rotavap is he going to let you claim the tax back
under his/her name ?

solo - 5-2-2012 at 19:24

Quote: Originally posted by Lambda-Eyde

Quote: Originally posted by Antoncho

So anyway, all I want is to inform you that https://www.hyperlab.info, the Russian-speaking forum of hobby chemists, has undergone some changes in the turn of this year.

.......I don't think they want puritans at that site, besides the defination is ...

"A hobby is a regular activity or interest that is undertaken for pleasure, typically done during one's leisure time. "

.....similar to whatever mundane activity you call hobby.....solo

Ephoton - 5-2-2012 at 21:23

dont worry solo he probably missed the disclamer saying that comercial cooks were expelled from there
site.

anyway its not a hobby for him he has a "professor"

turd - 6-2-2012 at 03:57

Quote: Originally posted by Ephoton

hey whats the 3rd gender or should I not ask

Huh? Didn't you have Latin or ancient Greek in school? Neuter of course. Quote http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammatical_gender :

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Russian: Masculine, Feminine, Neuter, Common (dual concord model), Reciprocal (one concord model).

Ahhhh!!

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I'm eager to hear how drug chemistry is incompatible with being a hobby. With their anti-commercial policy they seem to be more hobbyist than this place. Just look at all the commercial offers of labware and chemicals of dubious origins in "Reagents and Apparatus Acquisition". Not that it bothers me.

Pulverulescent - 6-2-2012 at 06:31

Quote:

You should be ashamed.

Why?
I like a bit of two-dimensional fucking as much as the next man . . .
Give me the real, tactile thing, herniated disc or no herniated disc! (

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P

Lambda-Eyde - 6-2-2012 at 13:13

Quote: Originally posted by Ephoton

Look out he has a "professor"

This baby means business.

Why tell ya prof that your going to buy a rotavap is he going to let you claim the tax back
under his/her name ?

What the hell is wrong with being civil? I didn't ask you to be a dick, I just voiced my opinion. If you can't be bothered to take the time to argue against me and go directly to the ad hominem, then I'd (as would most people) prefer that you'd just refrain from cluttering the site.

As for telling my professor about my plans, I actually enjoy talking to them about my hobby. What I don't like is that 90% of chemists will raise an eyebrow when I mention that I have a lab in my basement, either because they have had bad experiences with earlier students or because they've been watching too much Breaking Bad.

Short story, I don't want "hobby chemistry" to be associated with people making meth or even rather complex, novel psychedelics in their labs. I want to be able to tell people that I'm a hobby chemist and that I have my own private lab without getting shunned or interrogated.

If you make drugs, then fine. But be honest about it, and don't pretend you're not doing anything "controversial"... Anyways, I just wanted to make my point clear. I have no interest in derailing this thread to yet another flame war...

Nicodem - 6-2-2012 at 13:31

Quote: Originally posted by Magpie

I would like to look at the Russian site Antoncho but the links won't work for me. I'm running Firefox and get a "site untrusted" message.

That's the common issue with self-signed certificates for the HTTPS communication protocol. It is the same issue as we have it with the ScienceMadness certificate - for the HTTPS use, the browser asks for a user confirmation rather than automatically download the certificate. Without confirmation the HTTPS does not work.

Quote: Originally posted by Lambda-Eyde

You can only judge if it is hobby chemistry or not by reading the rules and checking if the discourse is kept in the spirit of the rules. The rules are:

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Finally, let me remind you that rules of HyperLab strictly forbid - and have always forbidden - any of the following:

discussion of opiate chemistry in any, even the remotest, form;
discussion of large-scale syntheses. 'Large' is considered anything over hypothetical 1000 medium doses of the substance in question;
any other form of commercially oriented activity. Nowadays, even a suspicion of someone's beeing a commercial cook is a valid excuse for a ban.

Sounds like they have much more strict rules that we have at SM in regard to hobby&amateur vs. professional, which is in my opinion a good move given their general orientation toward the synthesis of psychoactive compounds. It is probably the only way to keep such forums clean from wannabe cooks and greedy or destructive members. Besides, some of the kewlish titles you cite sound like coming from the "Форум Новичка (Newbee forum)" which is anything but representative. Would you judge SM by what you read in the Beginner's section as well?
I have been following Hyperlab for years and they have been hobby and amateur oriented since their beginning. The scientific discourse maintained there is something for which I can only envy their moderators and the dedication of their members toward actual experimental research is unsurpassed by any other chemistry forum. I must say they are quite innovative in their moderation policies and SM could also benefit by adopting some of their simple solutions.

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I don't wanna be associated with such activities when I mention to my professor that I'm looking into buying a rotavap or spectrophotometer!

Of course it is not wise to be associated with anything at all as far as your professor goes and I sure don't know why would you even want to explain to your professor that you are buying a rotavap or spectrophotometer? Don't do such things, you might regret it someday.

Quote: Originally posted by Lambda-Eyde

If you make drugs, then fine. But be honest about it, and don't pretend you're not doing anything "controversial"... Anyways, I just wanted to make my point clear. I have no interest in derailing this thread to yet another flame war...

Regardless of Ephoton's rudeness, you should calm down and realize that it is you who misunderstood the obvious - that nobody pretends anything. It is obvious to me that Antoncho assumes that those to whom the information is relevant already know the Hyperlab. But even otherwise, if you would have read the very first sentence of the Hyperlab's introduction page you would realize that nobody is concealing anything at all:

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ГиперЛаб - это центральный форум русскоязычной Сети, посвящённый вопросам химии и фармакологии ненаркотических перцепциотропных средств (НПТС ).

In translation this would be something like:
"GiperLab - is the central forum of Russian-speaking web, devoted to the chemistry and pharmacology of non-narcotic perceptiotropic compounds."
(I assume "perceptiotropic" is some Russian term for "perception altering")

[Edited on 6/2/2012 by Nicodem]

Magic Muzzlet - 6-2-2012 at 13:55

Lambda-Eyde you just have no idea. You certainly cannot even see half of the forum!

More amateur research and reports are posted there than I have ever seen at SM too. It's not all drug related, the theme of the forum is of course different... But you come to a conclusion without all the information, just like the chemists you tell about your lab.
And what is the point of coming here and exclaiming your view, then throwing in the pointless fact that you want to buy some instruments?

The Hyperlab has, like Nicodem just pointed out, more rules than here at SM. The moderators do a great job, it is more of a pleasure for me to read Hyperlab than SM most of the time.

Thank you Antoncho, I love what you have done and what you are doing. Never stop, the community is grateful.

anotheronebitesthedust - 12-2-2012 at 08:49

"I wish I could openly practice my hobby of alchemy, but I fear the witch-hunters will shun me or accuse me of witchcraft!" ......blames witches.

entropy51 - 12-2-2012 at 15:40

Quote: Originally posted by Nicodem

You can only judge if it is hobby chemistry or not by reading the rules and checking if the discourse is kept in the spirit of the rules. The rules are:

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discussion of large-scale syntheses. 'Large' is considered anything over hypothetical 1000 medium doses of the substance in question;

Well I'm glad they cleared that up.

I think a lot of people would have erroneously assumed that one thousand doses of a psychoactive compound was most likely intended for commercial sales and not for any kind of "hobby'.

I can't believe that you cited this as an example of a "strict rule". I think it is patently ridiculous.

Ephoton - 12-2-2012 at 15:59

try making under a thousand doses of something that has a 100 too 500 microgram dose

good luck.

Its never the people who were here in the beginning that try and shove there views on other people
its always the late comers who think they know everything.

[Edited on 13-2-2012 by Ephoton]

AndersHoveland - 12-2-2012 at 17:09

Quote: Originally posted by Pulverulescent

I remember getting unexpected hard porn on a similar Russian site . . .
I didn't hang around, just in case!

Perhaps you mean this site:
http://www.pirotek.info/12vv.htm
(the pornographic images seem to be gone now)

It is a good site.
http://www.pirotek.info/Vv2/furozan.htm

[Edited on 13-2-2012 by AndersHoveland]

entropy51 - 12-2-2012 at 17:31

Quote: Originally posted by Ephoton

Its never the people who were here in the beginning that try and shove there views on other people
its always the late comers who think they know everything.

Let's get one thing straight right now.

I have as much right as any other member to express my opinion, no matter how much or little you or other members like it or dislike it.

One laudable characteristic of the cooks is that they self-identify by trying to stifle discussion rather than welcoming a free exchange of ideas about their little hobby.

Making odious ad hominem attacks such as yours (a) does not intimidate me in the slightest and (b) makes it apparent what a bully you think you are.

It appears that you are the one attempting to shove your views on others, by attempting to shut me up so that your view is the only one expressed here. Good luck with that.

You are not exactly a charter member of the forum yourself, now are you?

Ephoton - 12-2-2012 at 19:13

Simply said this thread is going off topic so no you dont.

The topic is that hyperlab has now got an english interface and is welcoming english speaking
members.

If you wish to start a thread discussing the moral views of the few then by all means do so.

I promise not to shit can it like people are doing to this thread.

I may have been rude before as Nicodem pointed out but I believe that after everything that
antoncho has done for the online chemistry scene that he deserves at least the ability
to tell people about his site with out people putting anti drug propoganda all over his thread.

I cant help I agree with him and a lot of other people here.

I dont realy care what kind of member you think I am or what my post count is.

I agree with this quote and will stick up for Antoncho till the cows come home.

“The real drug-problem is that we need more and better drugs.” – J. Ott

I wonder if you even understood what I just said.

entropy51 - 12-2-2012 at 19:20

Quote: Originally posted by Ephoton

If you wish to start a thread discussing the moral views of the few then by all means do so.

I wonder if you even understood what I just said.

Well it's quite obvious you did not understand what I said.

I expressed absolutely no moral views about recreational drugs.

I just questioned whether 1000 doses qualifies as a hobby.

Most of the drugs discussed on that site have effective doses of many milligrams, not micrograms.

Just stop the bullying and ad hominem attacks.

benzylchloride1 - 13-2-2012 at 00:03

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Multiple professors have given me and still continue to give me chemicals and equipment. If you are legitimate, the best thing to do is to talk to an OLDER professor, they are often likely to help you as long as they trust you and do not come across as a kewl or cook. The younger ones are generally not worth your time as they often do not have real experience with amateur chemistry. I would assume the entire chemistry department where I am a graduate student knows what I am working on. If we do not come out of the darkness, we will loose our right to do science.

turd - 13-2-2012 at 00:04

The quite common (and worthwile!) target DOB has a dose of 2-3 mg. To purify if by distillation with standard lab gear, you will need to work in 3-5 g ranges. That's probably where the 1000 doses comes from. Nowadays there's even more potent easily reachable phenetylamines (the N-(2-methoxy-benzyl) things), active in the 0.5 mg range. If you make a few gram of that, nobody will accuse you of being a commercial enterprise, on the other hand making half a kg of speed... This is certainly not a strict rule, it's all about context. You're not questioning, you're denouncing.

To find out whether the site is hobby or commercial oriented - just read it. And you will see it IS more hobby oriented than SMDB, where people are constantly selling labware, asking questions pertaining to their job, homework, etc.

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Making odious ad hominem attacks such as yours (a) does not intimidate me in the slightest and (b) makes it apparent what a bully you think you are.

LOL! And that from arguably the biggest bully on this site. No problem - you obviously have a chip to carry on your shoulders. But it IS quite ironic that the biggest bullies often are the whiniest persons too.

Ephoton - 14-2-2012 at 15:50

That is a fair comment benzylchloride.

I would like to think that the same could apply for drug chemistry as well but alas too many
people only look at the negatives when it comes to researching and making drugs.

Not all people who make drugs are evil and are considering making large amounts of addictive
and life destroying compounds.

As always it is the few that destroy it for the many.

I think this is were the true insperation comes from hyperlab for some of us.

They are able to make and test more active compounds than any of the other groups that are
researching this field and still keep it from deteriorating into how do I make a kilo of P2P.

Even here we have mutiple Akabori threads.
A synth that leads to a life destroying compound.

on hyperlab you have to aquire kama to even see a post about an unsubstituted compound.
When one does get into this section of the board it is plain to see that realy it is not what there interested
in.

opiods are strictly banned (I believe this is due to the problems that russia had and has with opiods)

This is a responsible and very intellegent group of people.

If others could follow suit then just maby the darkness might not be so dark.

[Edited on 15-2-2012 by Ephoton]

entropy51 - 14-2-2012 at 17:20

Quote: Originally posted by turd

But it IS quite ironic that the biggest bullies often are the whiniest persons too.

For the first time ever, Mr Turd, I agree with you.

The present whining is coming from the biggest of many bullies who hounded Sauron from Science Madness, thus depriving us of a valuable resource.

Ephoton - 14-2-2012 at 17:43

I am not sure if you understand the problems that can happen when a site is thought of being a threat to
national security.

Drugs will not place a site on such a threat.

Full disclosure to the ways and problems of synthing weapons of mass distruction from easily aquired
compounds will.

Thankyou I never realised I did such a service to this planet.

"many bullies" well at least helped anyway.

There were reasons that people felt the way they did and it
spread over the entire english speaking scene not just Sciencemadness.

[Edited on 15-2-2012 by Ephoton]

entropy51 - 14-2-2012 at 20:37

Quote: Originally posted by Ephoton

I am not sure if you understand the problems that can happen when a site is thought of being a threat to
national security.

Drugs will not place a site on such a threat.

Full disclosure to the ways and problems of synthing weapons of mass distruction from easily aquired
compounds will.

Thankyou I never realised I did such a service to this planet.

"many bullies" well at least helped anyway.

There were reasons that people felt the way they did and it
spread over the entire english speaking scene not just Sciencemadness.

[Edited on 15-2-2012 by Ephoton]

Having some problems stringing a few coherent thoughts together?

Sedit - 14-2-2012 at 22:38

Quote: Originally posted by entropy51

Quote: Originally posted by Ephoton

Having some problems stringing a few coherent thoughts together?

Um dude, I think he does rather well for being dyslexic.

solo - 15-2-2012 at 10:34

An ad hominem (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person"), short for argumentum ad hominem, is an attempt to negate the truth of a claim by pointing out a negative characteristic or belief of the person supporting it.

"Just stop the bullying and ad hominem attacks."....entropy51

.....so it would seem your idea is the truth.......so who's shoving their beliefs on others..... maybe you should join Sauron in his forum "the puritans"......solo

entropy51 - 15-2-2012 at 14:59

Quote: Originally posted by solo

so who's shoving their beliefs on others..... maybe you should join Sauron in his forum "the puritans"......solo

Thanks for your feedback Solo. I din't realize that posting my opinion was "shoving". I will clean up my act.

Does Sauron have a forum? That is news to me. Do you know the url?

Sedit - 15-2-2012 at 15:11

I remember he had repeatedly spoke of it in the past and mentioned he was going to start a forum but I don't know what ever came of it.

Ephoton - 15-2-2012 at 16:06

back onto hyperlab

I found this post by neoretro to be outstanding and maby something that may help a few people.
https://www.hyperlab.info/inv/index.php?act=ST&f=17&...

It is on CTH reduction of cinnimates.

The interesting thing about it is that he made his own Pd/C from PdCl and palm carbon.

Pd/C I think is something that a lot of hobbiests dream about but the way neoretro has approched this
and the results he has obtained make it look very easy.

Just one example of the many outstanding experiments that can be found on hyperlab

turd - 16-2-2012 at 02:44

Quote: Originally posted by entropy51

The present whining is coming from the biggest of many bullies who hounded Sauron from Science Madness, thus depriving us of a valuable resource.

You hounded away Sauron!? Shame on you.

Seriously, I don't know if you're making fun of us or live in a completely twisted reality, but if there is an archetype of a bully and unstable personality, then it was/is Sauron. I didn't follow the ordeal too closely, but as far as I know he left due to his own ego. Tried to turn SMDB into Sauron's Mad Discussion Board, failed and couldn't live with that. Tough luck.

Anyway, since it's bad style to talk about people who do not participate in the discussion, I will go back to topic and join in on the praise of the HyperLab: All hobby chemistry forums could learn a lesson from them. Go team!