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Bicarbonate to carbonate; strange low yield?

Fulmen - 1-3-2025 at 01:18

So I needed a bunch of sodium carbonate, and I calculated that it would be cheaper to start with sodium bicarbonate. According to Wikipedia 200°C should do nicely:

2 NaHCO3 => Na2CO3 + CO2 + H2O

I started with 550g, and my math tells me I should expect a yield of 405g. So why did I only get 355g? The bicarbonate was perfectly dry, and I can not find any data on any hydrates.

davidfetter - 1-3-2025 at 08:45

Many things could account for what you see, to include:

Texium - 1-3-2025 at 08:52

Or... you did your math wrong.

550 g bicarbonate / 84 g/mol = 6.55 mol

6.55 / 2 = 3.27 mol carbonate expected

3.27 mol * 105.99 g/mol = 347 g sodium carbonate

bnull - 1-3-2025 at 08:53

Quote: Originally posted by Fulmen  
I started with 550g, and my math tells me I should expect a yield of 405g.

405 g? Let's see.

2 moles of NaHCO3 = 2*84=168 g
1 mole of Na2CO3 = 106 g
550 g/168 g=3.27
3.27*106 g=347 g

Quote:
So why did I only get 355g?

Because you didn't heat it for long enough.

Edit: Try this: Balance Chemical Equation.

[Edited on 1-3-2025 by bnull]

Fulmen - 1-3-2025 at 09:04

Quote: Originally posted by Texium  
Or... you did your math wrong.

Nope, apparently I did it wrong 3 times! Jeeez, I'm getting soft.
Edit: I found it. My bicarbonate was carbon neutral with a molar weight of 72 :-D

@ bnull: We're within the limits of kitchen chemistry and scales here. But I did notice a bit of low solubility material in it so you're probably right. Not that it matters, I'm just making sodium nitrate from calcium nitrate. The bicarbonate should do the same job, but it's low solubility and CO2 generation would make for a messy reaction.

[Edited on 1-3-25 by Fulmen]

bnull - 1-3-2025 at 15:25

Quote: Originally posted by Fulmen  
Nope, apparently I did it wrong 3 times! Jeeez, I'm getting soft.

At least you didn't spend almost an hour trying to find the derivative of ef(x) and wouldn't trust the result even after seeing it in a calculus book.