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Commercial for labs GAA

pneumatician - 6-8-2022 at 16:07

hi,

how is made the Glacial Acetic acid you can buy in a labstore in bottles of 1l??

ok the bath is maybe 10000 liters but how is made the GAA?? what process???

maybe making verdigris and distilling it??

paulll - 6-8-2022 at 22:45


https://m.lookchem.com/Chempedia/Chemical-Technology/Organic...

Mostly from carbonylation of methanol - which in turn comes from methane from dead dinosaurs.

pneumatician - 7-8-2022 at 10:06

Quote: Originally posted by paulll  

https://m.lookchem.com/Chempedia/Chemical-Technology/Organic...

Mostly from carbonylation of methanol - which in turn comes from methane from dead dinosaurs.


wow! I was afraid of this shit! inclusive the GAA Pharma grade?

delirious!!!

PirateDocBrown - 7-8-2022 at 21:24

That's right, Cativa process is the main industrial route. Iridium carbonyl iodide catalyst,

Methanol + carbon monoxide in, acetic acid out.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S09205...

pneumatician - 8-10-2022 at 17:54

And what is the actual process to produce HCL, pharma... grade???

Tsjerk - 9-10-2022 at 03:06

Burning hydrogen with chlorine.

pneumatician - 11-10-2022 at 05:46

Quote: Originally posted by Tsjerk  
Burning hydrogen with chlorine.


and from where appear Fe, Hg, As... impurities???

Texium - 11-10-2022 at 06:08

They don’t. When HCl is made it’s extremely pure. In the case of laboratory/pharma or food grade stuff, it generally stays that way. If there’s iron impurities in technical grade stuff, it will have been introduced by how it was handled in the factory: possibly transferred through pipes or stored in tanks that are not impervious to HCl, and allow a small amount of iron to enter the solution. As for mercury and arsenic, I’ve got no clue why you’d think to suspect those as contaminants.

pneumatician - 11-10-2022 at 06:44

Because I read the "Certificate of Analysis"???

I expected a reply like this... I think people in factories not are so stupid to run megapure HCL through rusted iron pipes, or no? :D


the problem is here:

https://www.instrument-solutions.com/wp-content/uploads/Cert...

ridiculous quantities but from where come from near all the periodical table of elements here???

unionised - 11-10-2022 at 14:01

Dust; the glass from which the bottle is made, all sorts of things.

It's very difficult to maintain that degree of purity and, therefore, very expensive.
If your customer doesn't care if there's a little iron in the product then why not use steel equipment- it's cheap.
More realistically, you use equipment that's made of glass or plastic.
But those were moulded in steel.

Incidentally, cheap HCl is made as a by-product of chlorination of organics (e.g. making CH2Cl2) or from the reaction of salt with sulphuric acid.


Tsjerk - 12-10-2022 at 03:26

The reaction containers used to burn hydrogen with chlorine are made out of either iron or titanium. They could probably be made out of something that doesn't contaminate the HCl, but apparently changing the reaction chamber by the time it is degraded, and distillation of the acid when needed for purity is cheaper.

[Edited on 12-10-2022 by Tsjerk]