Extracting Ephedrine from Ma hung tea

Acid / base extraction seems plausible, just need to find right solvents, as I have no idea of solubility for ephedrine.


Also looks like ones first post.

Here's one recipe attached.
You can find more by google

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Do you think this is the right place to discuss this?
I mean, you read about those dedicated forums in the other thread, you should go there instead.
They have lots of informations on exactly that already, writeups too...

But it is actually quite simple.
A problem is the good solubility of ephedrine in water still.

First you extract the plant matter with diluted HCl, ideally under boiling for a few hours.
Then you filter the insoluble stuff out, and continue when you obtain a clear solution.
You dissolve a lot of NaCl into this and basify it with solid sodium carbonate, and then add a strong lye solution, just a little bit of the latter.
The volume needs to be kept small, this is why its best to use solid soda to basify.
Then you extract it with DCM or chloroform, and you use lots of it, like an equal volume of the basic solution, three times.
Now wash(water and brine) and dry the chloroform solution, then you can acidify directly, or you distill the chloroform off and continue to form the salt of your choice, ideally after taking the residue up in acetone or in alcohol.
Thats it!
Expect very, very little though

You know, the american species is entirely different from the eurasia parts of the world?
You can really forget about them.
The only good stuff being worth it, that is E. sinens and if you get it Bett early enough

Quote: Originally posted by karlos³

Do you think this is the right place to discuss this? I mean, you read about those dedicated forums in the other thread, you should go there instead. They have lots of informations on exactly that already, writeups too... But it is actually quite simple. A problem is the good solubility of ephedrine in water still. First you extract the plant matter with diluted HCl, ideally under boiling for a few hours. Then you filter the insoluble stuff out, and continue when you obtain a clear solution. You dissolve a lot of NaCl into this and basify it with solid sodium carbonate, and then add a strong lye solution, just a little bit of the latter. The volume needs to be kept small, this is why its best to use solid soda to basify. Then you extract it with DCM or chloroform, and you use lots of it, like an equal volume of the basic solution, three times. Now wash(water and brine) and dry the chloroform solution, then you can acidify directly, or you distill the chloroform off and continue to form the salt of your choice, ideally after taking the residue up in acetone or in alcohol. Thats it! Expect very, very little though

Quote: Originally posted by Chemi Pharma

Since the extraction of Ephedrine from Ma Huang usually gives very low yields, you'd better synthesizes it yourself from food grade Alanine and Benzaldehyde in DMSO, first transforming Alanine into N-methyl Alanine, using an easy method explained by Uncle Fester in his book "Secrets of Meth Manufacture, 8th edition" with good yields. I'm attaching the text extracted from the book that covers all the entire process.

Quote: Originally posted by arkoma

Benzaldehyde unfortunately is DEA List I, and with benzaldehyde, why bother with ephedrine? Unless you really want a cup of Ma Huang tea, and all that takes is a simple water extraction in a tea cup and microwave for three minutes.

Quote: Originally posted by Chemi Pharma

Anyway you can easy make benzaldehyde from toluene or benzyl alcohol oxidation if you can't purchase that. So, I still thinking that's condensation remains a very OTC route to get ephedrine

Quote: Originally posted by draculic acid69

I read somewhere that chloroform decomposes ephedrine (it's fine for pseudo ephedrine) into an aldehyde

Quote: Originally posted by draculic acid69

[ If going this route I'd recommend going further to 4mar. Amphetamines are just so lowclass and boring

Umm... I guess you never tried the 4-methylaminorex personally so far?
Because, this substance is in my opinion, despite very potent and long acting, not very good and enjoyable, not even really euphoric at all.
This is actually a boring substance, and I was very disappointed with it, being so overly hyped and all...
Possibly alright if used for cognitive enhancement, but don't expect any real rush and euphoria as with amphetamines, as this is something it just doesn't have.

Quote: Originally posted by Chemi Pharma

Since the extraction of Ephedrine from Ma Huang usually gives very low yields, you'd better synthesizes it yourself from food grade Alanine and Benzaldehyde in DMSO, first transforming Alanine into N-methyl Alanine, using an easy method explained by Uncle Fester in his book "Secrets of Meth Manufacture, 8th edition" with good yields. I'm attaching the text extracted from the book that covers all the entire process.

Quote: Originally posted by Chemi Pharma

Here's one recipe attached. You can find more by google

E. Viridis, species that lives in SE California. "Mormon Tea". This specimen is on Donnell Hill in 29 Palms, CA

Quote: Originally posted by karlos³

Making N-methylalanine from alanine is far from being practical, with the likely dimethylation under that conditions and all... also, one seemingly needs racemic alanine, and thats expensive. The synthesis of the N-alkylalanine is practical only if one starts by reductive amination of pyruvic acid, this will also result in the racemic amino acid. The most recent modification of this synthesis is still far from being economically viable though. The yield is just so low, the product is "double racemic" too, I don't think its useful at all.