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Rosco Bodine has been banned

Polverone - 4-3-2020 at 09:09

For an explanation, just take a look at his post history:

https://www.sciencemadness.org/whisper/search.php?srchuname=...

This forum has had a rule against discussing politics for 15+ years. Recent Rosco posts are peppered with political memes. He was a valuable contributor when he could stay on topic, and so I have been reluctant to take action in the past. But he's been pestering mods via U2U when his rants get trimmed. This action has to come from the top. It comes from me.

Please, everyone, leave your politics on places like Twitter and Facebook. Come here to discuss chemistry and related issues.

Fulmen - 4-3-2020 at 10:07

He had to know there would be consequences.

fusso - 4-3-2020 at 10:30

How does complete bans work?
Can RB still login?
Can he still recieve and read u2us?
Can he still edit his profile?

Herr Haber - 4-3-2020 at 11:27

I'll remember him for his BRILLIANT posts on picric acid.

Amos - 4-3-2020 at 11:36

Quote: Originally posted by Herr Haber  
I'll remember him for his BRILLIANT posts on picric acid.


I've used his procedures in the past, they're really something. If only his contributions to this forum stayed so beneficial.

morganbw - 4-3-2020 at 12:49

I really enjoyed all of his post that I read that were chemistry related. Some really great post.

Twospoons - 4-3-2020 at 13:12

Such a pity he couldn't leave his politics at the door. I guess he's been warned more than often enough.

arkoma - 4-3-2020 at 16:04

Glad i learned QUICK. Bfesser was here then.............

RB Posts

MadHatter - 4-3-2020 at 19:37

I looked over his posts. Don't get me wrong, I'm guilty of posting
political rants before but I don't get that last post by RB. Thresholds
are there for a reason. Cross over the line(and the moderators have
proven to be EXTREMELY tolerant over the years) and you're burned !
Truly a shame IMHO.

[Edited on 2020/3/5 by MadHatter]

DraconicAcid - 4-3-2020 at 19:47

I'm not going to miss him.

elementcollector1 - 4-3-2020 at 20:16

I wasn't around for his more productive posts (in part because I don't have an interest in energetics), so all I've seen of him are his toxic rants against just about everyone. I feel like he knew he was still 'productive' enough to get away with this sort of thing, at least until recently.

Still, I have to wonder when and where he'll come back... he's not the type to take a ban lying down. Might become the new PHDChemist, in an odd way.

yobbo II - 6-3-2020 at 07:40

I just simply HAD to log in and air a piece of my FILTHY linen here!

I have to admit that I found some of RB's post simply HILARIOUSLY ENTERTAINING!




Quote from elsewhere:
"That particular mass produced variety of hive mind IMBECILE are the self annointed and self appointed "thought police" who have the HUBRIS to task themselves to
"enlighten" the rest of a critical thinking humanity and do so by every Big Lie their poisoned intellect can conceive, being a proponent of every EVIL ABOMINATION that can be inflicted on man, woman, adult or child...as if THEY THE CLUELESS are qualified to be "leaders" of us all. What "qualification" it is, being EXEMPLARY PERVERTS and agents of HELL trying to sell the gullible a bill of goods is EXACTLY what is represented by those Pied Pipers followed by a HERD of equally "brilliant" like minded VERMIN."


Goodnight,

Yob

(Goodnight indeed!)

B(a)P - 6-3-2020 at 10:39

It is a shame it had to come to this. Rosco posted a lot great material on this forum. My best Picric acid yields came from the method he posted on this forum.

andy1988 - 6-3-2020 at 12:48

I sympathize with him for speaking out for what he believed was propaganda. However the 'personal attack' on the opposition to his viewpoint and political meme (of U.S. politicians) was uncivil. It is unfortunate so much media is made and manipulated for moneyed interests... I think it spreads incivility in those not educated in spotting logical fallacies.

Interestingly this display was set up in my university library foyer yesterday:
IMG_20200306_122015.jpg - 822kB

I enjoyed the capitalization style as well, of early American Broadsides style.

The "rubbing two brain cells together" attack I've heard from my uncle before... they both probably heard it from an uncivil U.S. political commentator and reused it. So don't take that personally.


[Edited on 6-3-2020 by andy1988]

franklyn - 6-3-2020 at 23:57

The self imposed isolation of SciMad forum as a monastic refuge from the actuality of the world at large aptly represents the withdrawn mindset of many here. Anyone who needs a ' safe space ' from other people’s opinions is by definition emotionally disturbed and in need of therapy. The parting words from the beleaguered Rosco Bodine echoes a distant lament that spans time.



j_sum1 - 7-3-2020 at 01:51

Sorry franklyn. RB's problem was not really related to the views he holds. Many here, including myself share his views on many topics and disagree with him on others.

The problem has been the aggressive and antagonistic way in which he has aired his views. Anyone who disagrees with him on a point or has appeared to disagree has been subjected to personal and vitriolic attack. They have been categorised as belonging to a particular group of Rosco's own definition and lambasted for the views and actions of that group whatever opinions they hold on other matters. There are generally gross insinuations and assumed guilt by association (aften associations completely unknown to anyone not occupying Rosco's corner of the universe.) This has made civil discourse impossible.

And it is not like this has been a one-off occurrence either. This has been an ongoing and recurring problem for a long time. Rosco's most valuable contributions pre-date my joining the board. There has been no indication of any desire to moderate the expression of his views or to engage in a less caustic fashion. This is in spite of numerous appeals from mods over the years.

And that is all before we start talking about the oversized memes and youtube clips. Many of these are inspiring, clever or hilarious. It is just not the place: SM is not FB.

Polverone has eventually made a call. And it is appropriate coming from him rather than anyone else. I am disappointed for Rosco's sake because I am sure he liked being here. But I fully support Polverone's decision.

I, personally will not miss RB. His golden years were before my time and I really have seen little from him that I would call positive. But I do think the whole situation is sad: sad because he showed an inability to rein in his proclivities and he ends up losing something that he has been a part of for a long time.

j_sum1 - 7-3-2020 at 02:13

Case in point, franklyn.... On what basis do you accuse SM of having self-imposed isolation, of being monastic, of having a withdrawn mindset, of seeking "safe spaces" (with the modern negative connotations), of being disturbed, and of needing therapy. What evidence is there of anyone here seeking desperately to be on the side of the majority?

In a couple of short sentences you have fired off more than half a dozen unfounded accusations and insinuations and capped it off with a large meme that although is a nice quote, is just not relevant to what is going on. I repeat, your accusations have absolutely no evidential base, and are couched in an negative and disparaging manner.

In other words you are doing the exact same thing that got RB banned. I repeat, it was not any of his views. Rather it was the accusatory mode of expression. Please do not do this.

If you need to disappear for a year and a half like you did recently - as a form of self-imposed isolation, simply because you cannot adhere to some basic courtesies, then you are free to do so. There are members here who will spot the irony when they compare your own actions with what you have just posted. And, of course, if it needs to be involuntary, that can be arranged too.

franklyn - 7-3-2020 at 08:51



www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=154962

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Fulmen - 7-3-2020 at 10:11

Put a sock in it, Franklyn. This isn't about hiding from others, it's just a little place where we weirdos can talk freely. The one place where we're not automatically terrorists for playing with chemicals or even energetics. Politics can be discussed virtually everywhere, by anyone and with anyone.

If it were possible to discuss politics in a civil and respectful manner we wouldn't have this discussion. But it isn't, never have been and never will be.

Velzee - 7-3-2020 at 17:37

Wow, I guess he just didn't listen.

XeonTheMGPony - 8-3-2020 at 06:37

Quote: Originally posted by yobbo II  
I just simply HAD to log in and air a piece of my FILTHY linen here!

I have to admit that I found some of RB's post simply HILARIOUSLY ENTERTAINING!




Quote from elsewhere:
"That particular mass produced variety of hive mind IMBECILE are the self annointed and self appointed "thought police" who have the HUBRIS to task themselves to
"enlighten" the rest of a critical thinking humanity and do so by every Big Lie their poisoned intellect can conceive, being a proponent of every EVIL ABOMINATION that can be inflicted on man, woman, adult or child...as if THEY THE CLUELESS are qualified to be "leaders" of us all. What "qualification" it is, being EXEMPLARY PERVERTS and agents of HELL trying to sell the gullible a bill of goods is EXACTLY what is represented by those Pied Pipers followed by a HERD of equally "brilliant" like minded VERMIN."


Goodnight,

Yob

(Goodnight indeed!)


Insanity is a sad thing, to have your own mind fold inside out of its self, and the horrible fact is at the same time thinking you are the sane one!

Those who hold mutually exclusive concepts int heir mind tend to end up like this sooner or later.

Chose reality folks, it is good for the mind, Fantasy so oft fails when stressed.

I hope he gets help (Or takes his meds again)

Perhaps some point he can be allowed back if he reaches stability again?

MineMan - 9-3-2020 at 20:34

Well, this makes me sad...

It makes sense those who have the passions we have also have strong political viewpoints. Can we set up another sub forum to talk about political issues?

I have seen too many heavyweights leave this forum... especially on the energetic side.

re: too harsh

jamit - 9-3-2020 at 20:51

I totally disagree about banning Rosco bodine. He has been a good member and I’ve learned a lot from him.

Yes he does express his political views and maybe we should have a forum for science and politics ... that way people can talk and discuss their different points of view.

Just because someone has a different political conviction we should not ban them! Rosco has been a member longer then most of the moderator!

Can’t people just agree to be different without hating each other and banning them?

Please instate him! !

franklyn - 9-3-2020 at 20:56

Reality can no longer be evaded or hidden from. It would be nice if the Corona virus could
so easily be rejected into Detritus along with the dire circumstances it has made undeniable.


www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=331&v=EbyPW8lJX2E&am...

www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=154890

www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=154926


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DraconicAcid - 9-3-2020 at 23:20

Quote: Originally posted by jamit  
Just because someone has a different political conviction we should not ban them! Rosco has been a member longer then most of the moderator!

Can’t people just agree to be different without hating each other and banning them?


He wasn't banned for having a different opinion- he was banned for being an asshole about it. This is a chemistry forum, and if you can't shut up about Trump, Clinton, creationism, or any other non-chemistry-related subject, you ought to find another forum to spout off on.

j_sum1 - 9-3-2020 at 23:51

Quote: Originally posted by jamit  
I totally disagree about banning Rosco bodine. He has been a good member and I’ve learned a lot from him.

Yes he does express his political views and maybe we should have a forum for science and politics ... that way people can talk and discuss their different points of view.

Just because someone has a different political conviction we should not ban them! Rosco has been a member longer then most of the moderator!

Can’t people just agree to be different without hating each other and banning them?

Please instate him! !




And finally, two important points relevant to this specific instance.
  1. This is Polverone's call in this case and not a decision taken lightly. I think he has the right to make such a call. Any moves to reinstate need to be directed to him. But I suspect his decision will be firm. This is not a problem that has only just happened nor a decision made in a fickle or mercurial manner.
  2. There is no suggestion that RB's banning was in any way related to the views he holds. Rather it is the manner in which he has chosen to communicate those views -- demeaning to other board members. Even that is not what got him banned. It is a long-term unwillingness to respond to reasonable requests to rein things in.

Fulmen - 10-3-2020 at 03:54

"What we've got here is failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach. So you get what we had here last week. Which is the way he wants it. Well, he gets it. And I don't like it any more than you men."

I've had the privilege of being a mod on another forum, so I have a fair idea of the challenges they face in here. Some people just can't be reasoned with. They refuse to follow the rules, they spit and curse every time you try to correct them and generally make everybodys life a little more miserable. Not only has Pulverone graciously created a place for us, it's completely free as well. Both him and our tireless crew of mods work for free to maintain this place, and all they ask of in return is that we follow a few common-sense rules.

Anyone who has a problem with this can go f*ck themselves as far as I'm concerned. And let's face it; he wasn't exactly advancing the discourse with new and thoughtful arguments.

phlogiston - 10-3-2020 at 07:41

I think the mods have been extremely patient with RB.

I am happy that polverone and the mods keep this place sciencemadness. It's not politicalmadness or religionmadness.

Surely there is some other platform on the internet where RB can poste memes and indulge in endless fights over politics and ideology.

MrHomeScientist - 10-3-2020 at 08:03

Completely agree with EC1 and others. I've never seen a valuable contribution from him in all my time here. But it sounds like he did contribute a lot before my time, so I certainly respect that. This was long overdue though, in my opinion. I never understand people's absolute need to post unrelated rants on a chemistry forum. What's the point?

There's just one last bastion of irrelevant nonsense left. I hope this is a wake up call to just stick to chemistry on a chemistry forum, but I doubt it will be.

clearly_not_atara - 10-3-2020 at 08:11

I just wish there were a way to ban these people (the politically overengaged) from going to the crazy websites they visit that make them act like this, so they would go back to normal. He used to be better. It's sad to see.

[Edited on 10-3-2020 by clearly_not_atara]

Tsjerk - 10-3-2020 at 08:45

Quote: Originally posted by clearly_not_atara  
I just wish there were a way to ban these people (the politically overengaged) from going to the crazy websites they visit that make them act like this, so they would go back to normal. He used to be better. It's sad to see.

[Edited on 10-3-2020 by clearly_not_atara]


The only one capable of that is himself.

Crazy website

franklyn - 10-3-2020 at 23:15

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=668&v=bPq3sf...


https://gulfnews.com/world/asia/coronavirus-doctor-says-high...

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j_sum1 - 10-3-2020 at 23:36

Quote: Originally posted by franklyn  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=668&v=bPq3sf...


https://gulfnews.com/world/asia/coronavirus-doctor-says-high...

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Neither of these two links is relevant to the topic of this thread, franklyn.
It seems that you are determined to continue a political discussion -- only you don't discuss. You merely assert by way of copied link.
Even if I was in complete agreement with every word of those two sources (which is quite possible – I have not gone through them in detail), this is not how SM works.

I am going to suspend posting priveleges pending feedback from the other mods. You can still U2U to put forward your reasoning if you wish.


[edit]
corrected typos: "teh" and "yo"

[Edited on 11-3-2020 by j_sum1]

OldNubbins - 11-3-2020 at 00:07

The internet has perverted the meaning of free speech. It does not mean free and equal access to your audience of choice.

Before social media, the rabid rantings of apocalypse from a soapbox on any intersection were ignored. If you had a legitimate message and were serious about spreading it, you needed the ability to support that message with logic and reason then eventually that message could stand on its own.

Nowadays, every yahoo with an axe to grind thinks they entitled to a captive audience where they can spout their nonsense, ruffle some feathers, then leave without any attempt to defend their position except through attacks on anything to the contrary.

The people who yell the loudest about political correctness, bathe in 'librul tears', and attack what they describe as 'safe spaces', are simply scared, insecure, petulant children who will piss in the sandbox until everyone leaves. Then they can have their own echo chamber, tooting their own horn while shouting 'WE ARE WINNING!".

Good riddance
I feel better now getting that off my chest. The kind of better you feel after dropping an enormous, fibrous deuce...

Vomaturge - 11-3-2020 at 04:01

One thing to remember is that there is a specific rule against politics on this forum, only because of how irrelevant they usually are to science vs. How divisive they can be. Left and Right wing political rants have both sent posts to detritus.

We are allowed to have differing opinions here. I got slightly triggered ;) when Franklyn posted a series of comments saying that △I/△T never has any effect on the failure mode of a fusible wire, no matter how low or high, and that self inductance has no effect on the peak current in an RLC tank circuit. But, it's his right to say all that.

But if you sign up for a forum that specifically bans politics, don't complain about censorship. You were warned and still asked for it.

Edit: my hope for Rosco is he comes back under a new name, but decides to stay undercover by avoiding political discourse on SM.

[Edited on 11-3-2020 by Vomaturge]

Fulmen - 11-3-2020 at 04:16

No, idiots have perverted the meaning of free speech.

aga - 11-3-2020 at 14:22

Another Garbage Decision Polverone ?

Rosco posted MORE on Your Board of any actual Chemistry than even YOU.

Arguing that he also said 'political' things is a Pure Shit excuse.

How much Chemistry has yobbo II posted of any relevance at all ?

How much have you or I posted in the past 5 years is of any relevance at all ?

Polverone, aga, yobbo II have posted pretty much Nothing of any Use or factual basis as Rosco Bodine did.

I always suspected the 'spammers' were always You all along - nobody else had any Motive.
Guessing we'll never know for sure, and it does not really matter anyway.

SM has become such a pile of Crap that it really is not worth even visiting anymore.

Many thanks to woelen for his Amazing Inspiration, blogfast25 for his Enlightenment, DraconicAcid for his OC illustrations and zts16 for his superb clarity-of-mind.

Also many others not mentioned here for their contributions several years ago.

With that, i'm outta here Even More Permanently (it's a Quantum thing)

Best of luck, and Best wishes for the Future to All.

DraconicAcid - 11-3-2020 at 15:10

Quote: Originally posted by aga  
Another Garbage Decision Polverone ?

Rosco posted MORE on Your Board of any actual Chemistry than even YOU.

Arguing that he also said 'political' things is a Pure Shit excuse.

How much Chemistry has yobbo II posted of any relevance at all ?


If I open up a bar for people to relax, drink, and discuss chemistry, I expect people to relax, drink, and talk about chemistry. If some people just listen, that's fine. If some people go off on tangents, that's fine. If you keep screaming in peoples' faces that they're ass-scratchers and that they need to support Trump, you're going to be kicked the hell out.

Fulmen - 11-3-2020 at 15:26

Wow, two for the price of one.

fusso - 11-3-2020 at 15:53

Quote: Originally posted by DraconicAcid  
Quote: Originally posted by aga  
Another Garbage Decision Polverone ?

Rosco posted MORE on Your Board of any actual Chemistry than even YOU.

Arguing that he also said 'political' things is a Pure Shit excuse.

How much Chemistry has yobbo II posted of any relevance at all ?


If I open up a bar for people to relax, drink, and discuss chemistry, I expect people to relax, drink, and talk about chemistry. If some people just listen, that's fine. If some people go off on tangents, that's fine. If you keep screaming in peoples' faces that they're ass-scratchers and that they need to support Trumpany politicians, you're going to be kicked the hell out.
Sigh.
I have to agree with DA.
You cant give a place a main theme to develop and be anarchist/near-anarchist at the same time.
Look at minecraft's 2b2t server (MC's oldest anarchist server).
If you want a place to mostly stay on topic then sometimes you have to do hard decisions.
How much one has contributed isnt an excuse to not be banned.
Enuf is enuf.
Thou im never harassed/insulted/offended by RB this may not be the case for others.
But considering RB has contributed significantly maybe RB should be banned only temporarily say 1 month?
We can see how he'll be doin after the tempa-ban.

[Edited on 200311 by fusso]

clearly_not_atara - 11-3-2020 at 17:40

Quote: Originally posted by aga  

With that, i'm outta here Even More Permanently (it's a Quantum thing)

See you in three months?

Corrosive Joeseph - 11-3-2020 at 17:44

Watch out, every poster in this thread is an aga sock puppet..... Big fucking eyes roll.


/CJ

yobbo II - 11-3-2020 at 18:55



If one were to join a political forum and constantly stray into the subject of oxidation/reduction, energetics, color chemistry of different valency states etc etc they would (I would imagine) be removed or/and laughed at.




Yob

Twospoons - 11-3-2020 at 19:23

All this BS about "free speech". This is a privately owned forum where Polverone is god and king, and gets to make and enforce any rules he wishes to. He kindly lets the rest of us play in the sandbox for free, so long as we obey the rules. Posting here is a privilege, not a right. Anyone who doesn't like that is free to leave at any time. Somehow RB didn't understand this concept.

BromicAcid - 11-3-2020 at 19:29

I miss Vulture - his ban hammer was strong.

Abromination - 11-3-2020 at 20:01

Quote: Originally posted by Twospoons  
All this BS about "free speech". This is a privately owned forum where Polverone is god and king, and gets to make and enforce any rules he wishes to. He kindly lets the rest of us play in the sandbox for free, so long as we obey the rules. Posting here is a privilege, not a right. Anyone who doesn't like that is free to leave at any time. Somehow RB didn't understand this concept.

Simple as that.

MineMan - 12-3-2020 at 00:55

I don’t like loosing heavyweights. And we have to expect the geniuses to be well, crazy...

Any way you can cut some slack mods?

j_sum1 - 12-3-2020 at 03:23

Quote: Originally posted by MineMan  
Any way you can cut some slack mods?

Totally Polverone's call.

Curious though... When was the last post from RB that you would consider falls under the category of "genius"?
In any case. It is not the viewsor opinions or the past contributions or the genius or the lack thereof that got him banned. It was the wholesale disparagement of other members and the tainiting of every thread with politicking and the fact that he would not pull his head in when politely asked.

ShotBored - 16-3-2020 at 10:46

Haven't been on here for very long yet, however I've made my judgment calls about the quality of certain people's contributions based on how much material they have in detritus. Certain folks who have commented on this particular thread are habitual detritus columnists and those exact same folks tend to be the most difficult to engage in civil discourse with. I know most of you probably have had good conversations and a history with some of these guys, but to me, good riddance to them.

morganbw - 16-3-2020 at 12:00

Quote: Originally posted by ShotBored  
Haven't been on here for very long yet, however I've made my judgment calls about the quality of certain people's contributions based on how much material they have in detritus. Certain folks who have commented on this particular thread are habitual detritus columnists and those exact same folks tend to be the most difficult to engage in civil discourse with. I know most of you probably have had good conversations and a history with some of these guys, but to me, good riddance to them.


I am sorry, but to be able to judge Rosco Bodine, you have to go back a couple of decades at least, he has been on many forums, his post have been point on as far as chemistry techniques go.
I do agree that the past many years, he has stepped into a mental area that many/most cannot follow.
This man has been a giant among us. If you can stand taller than him then do so.

He is a mentor to many of us. Perhaps he is suffering some mental dilemma now but he has contributed much.

I would shake his hand tomorrow and say thank you SIR.

fusso - 16-3-2020 at 12:51

Quote: Originally posted by morganbw  
he has been on many forums
what forums?

Fulmen - 16-3-2020 at 14:33

@morganbw:
I have to disagree. One can cut them old giants a bit of slack, but the line has to be drawn somewhere. You can't earn the right to misbehave and disrespect the owner of this forum, I don't care what they've done in the past.

morganbw - 16-3-2020 at 14:37

Quote: Originally posted by fusso  
Quote: Originally posted by morganbw  
he has been on many forums
what forums?

I am not going to try to point out the forum names as they are basically all inert not.
Roscoe has had many user names, perhaps PM the owner of this board, he knows for sure that this man is the real thing, and he can at least share two other user names/perhaps more. What has seemed to happen is that our friend has stepped away from the chemistry toward the politics.

XeonTheMGPony - 16-3-2020 at 16:21

Quote: Originally posted by yobbo II  


If one were to join a political forum and constantly stray into the subject of oxidation/reduction, energetics, color chemistry of different valency states etc etc they would (I would imagine) be removed or/and laughed at.




Yob


Odds are no, some would engage some would ignore, I run one for anti PC, we tend to have tuff skin and dissenting is encouraged, we all don't agree on things but we all have a voice.

fusso - 16-3-2020 at 16:52

Quote: Originally posted by XeonTheMGPony  
I run one for anti PC, we tend to have tuff skin and dissenting is encouraged, we all don't agree on things but we all have a voice.
Which forum? I'd like to have a look.

ShotBored - 17-3-2020 at 11:07

Quote: Originally posted by morganbw  
Quote: Originally posted by fusso  
Quote: Originally posted by morganbw  
he has been on many forums
what forums?

I am not going to try to point out the forum names as they are basically all inert not.
Roscoe has had many user names, perhaps PM the owner of this board, he knows for sure that this man is the real thing, and he can at least share two other user names/perhaps more. What has seemed to happen is that our friend has stepped away from the chemistry toward the politics.


I understand what you are saying, and like I mentioned, I don't have years of background with him. That being said, even in non-political discussions that related to science it seemed like disagreeing with him had a fair chance of leading to an explosive confrontation where he would begin flinging insults. I see this type of mentality in older folks all the time, where their years of experience sometime lend to hard-headedness towards new ideas or the notion that they might be wrong on something. Where, as a moderator or an admin, is the line supposed to be drawn for individuals who have been warned multiple times about this type of behavior? Tough situation...

Joeychemist - 22-6-2020 at 19:20

While I do miss the exciting and experimentally fruitful days of the early 2000's (ref; Mr. Anonymous' Azo-Chlathrates etc.) I do agree that Roscoe seemed to be less interested in posting science lately and more so posting the bare minimum in order to secure a podium and audience...

But the guy is a huge part or this forum and family and I don't agree with a full on lifelong ban of THIS specific user account. I agree that a change in tune on his part is necessary but that he should be allowed back after an extended time out.

Boo. Boo, indeed...

elementcollector1 - 27-6-2020 at 08:35

Quote: Originally posted by Joeychemist  
While I do miss the exciting and experimentally fruitful days of the early 2000's (ref; Mr. Anonymous' Azo-Chlathrates etc.) I do agree that Roscoe seemed to be less interested in posting science lately and more so posting the bare minimum in order to secure a podium and audience...

But the guy is a huge part or this forum and family and I don't agree with a full on lifelong ban of THIS specific user account. I agree that a change in tune on his part is necessary but that he should be allowed back after an extended time out.

Boo. Boo, indeed...


The main problem with this attitude is, while kind in nature, it opens the door to abuse of that kindness. I may not have been around for Rosco's golden years, but I've been on SM for nearly a decade, and that's plenty of time to establish a pattern and for SM's various mods to provide opportunities (of which there were plenty) to reach common ground. None were taken and most were ignored. It wasn't like Rosco didn't know his behavior was unacceptable after so many warnings, so he must have known and not cared. Letting him back in would only affirm this viewpoint.

I fully agree that posting here is a privilege, not a right, and can and should be moderated as needed. If the mods step in, that's their right and they have authority. If Polverone feels the need to step in, you should know how serious of an issue this is and how lightly it wasn't taken.

chloric1 - 8-8-2024 at 14:15

Although I’ve been peeking into this forum over the years, I’ve mostly been away. I remember discussing exotic thermites and thermodynamics with Rosco Bodine in 2007 and 2008 to great detail. Because of my absence, I had no idea his posts had degraded to what I just saw! I’m in line with some of what he says but of course I know when to listen and be civil.

I blame the political parties and the media for our ridiculous divide. The harsh divide is getting worse not better since 2020. I’m sorry to say it’s going to take a heart breaking and gut wrenching event to set society right again. And I’m saying this is a global issue.

fx-991ex - 9-8-2024 at 10:58

Aw, sad. didnt know him much but he was posting useful chemistry material.

Is it the first time he get banned? (i know this is none of my business), just curious, did he get perma banned straight away or he had previous shorter ban(like a week or a month)?.

Organikum - 10-8-2024 at 04:39

Quote: Originally posted by fx-991ex  
Aw, sad. didnt know him much but he was posting useful chemistry material.

Is it the first time he get banned? (i know this is none of my business), just curious, did he get perma banned straight away or he had previous shorter ban(like a week or a month)?.

Did you look at the date? Happened four years ago so it is old news.

In short Rosco sadly joined in the wake of 9/11 the alt/right movement and he activly participated in their strategy to functionalize, disrupt and even destroy internet discussion boards of any kind. They organized and still organize such attacks at places like "mightyrighty "etc. - troll central so to say, worse then 8-Chan.

I liked Rosco and respected him and despite being politically on the other side I was able to talk to him about chemistry in private on a respectful level until the end.

He knew what he was doing and that he had it coming, he was warned often enough. If he would like to come back, I am pretty sure he just had to write a mail to Polverone and assure that he won't be disruptive from now on and he would be be back. It always was and still is his choice.


regards
/ORG

PS: Boards like this do not work as democracy, not even when run by a group, they only work if there is a single person calling the shots and depending on the integrity of this person the board lives or dies.

Persons with integrity are/were: Polverone (SCM), Vesp (Vespiary), HeyMan/Unobtainium (HIVE)
Persons without were: Rhodium (HIVE), Lilienthal (HIVE), Osmium (HIVE), the idiot who killed the Lycaeum, and a thousand more.



[Edited on 10-8-2024 by Organikum]