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nitric acid from ammonium chloride?

navarone - 11-2-2004 at 07:35

hi again ...i just made some nice ammonium chloride.
is there a way that i could transform the one into nitric acid?

Blind Angel - 11-2-2004 at 09:49

Amonium Chloride: NH4Cl
Nitric Acid: HNO3
Nothing more to be said

thunderfvck - 11-2-2004 at 09:50

hahah. Oh the humor.
Hey, Blind Angel also lives in Quebec. WELL THEN. Isn't that interesting. Where exactly?

Judging from your email address, I can see what drives your chemical enthusiasm. FIGHT THE SYSTEM.

[Edited on 11-2-2004 by thunderfvck]

Uhh yea

chloric1 - 11-2-2004 at 14:30

navarone- if you want some HNO3 just acidify a nitrate with concentrated H2SO4. Why go to this nonsense of trying to oxidize ammonium chloride. Really your posts convince me that I never want to be on the same continent as you as long as you have possesion of chemicals. Nobody could be this dumb; you must be doing it for attention.

[Edited on 2/11/2004 by chloric1]

chemoleo - 11-2-2004 at 15:14

Did you notice he's now called 'Horny Bunny'? Quite a catch phrase - Vulture seemed to have liked it

By the way navarone, it's quite obvious that your posts on the synthesis of various organics relates to anything BUT an interest in organic chemistry; much rather you are trying to make some drugs (or precursors thereof) to drug some poor female into your bed.... Not a good idea considering your knowledge of chemistry

- and not a good idea to start off with!

axehandle - 11-2-2004 at 23:12

You must admit that there is some Monty Python style humor in the following scenario: He tries to drug some female with home synthezised barbiturates, only to discover that the chemical he managed to produce actually was some kind of cyanide...

navarone - 12-2-2004 at 07:20

aight fuk u guys!!
the love drug was something else.....
yes i like drugs and all the other substances that makes u feel more than normal...but i also like chemestry itself.
in fact chemistry is the thing that drived me to the interest of farmacology and drugs.
i asked u something....and like little tengraders u started making fun and going off topic.
now i repeat to everybody.
is there a way long or short where i can transform ammonia or ammonium chloride to nitric acid?
comprendido?
what u people just said was clearly off topic and with a stupid purpose.
if u know something abot oxidising ammonia then please write it down....if not then dont waste time.
if anyone still wants to make fun of my posts, then send me a u2u.
did ur brain received that?

axehandle - 12-2-2004 at 07:49

I counted 54 spelling mistakes, as well as 74 grammatical errors in the last post. Am i wrong?

AngelEyes - 12-2-2004 at 09:08

You are correct - Navarone is a chump.

uhhh uhhh

navarone - 12-2-2004 at 09:08

obviously im not english.
does that bother u?

guaguanco - 12-2-2004 at 09:14

Quote:

Originally posted by navarone
is there a way long or short where i can transform ammonia or ammonium chloride to nitric acid?

Yes.
1) Find someone with some nitric acid.
2) Offer them your ammonium chloride in trade.

AngelEyes - 12-2-2004 at 10:07

no, what bothers me is your use of exceptionally bad English, and your attitude.

fuk u guys - well, charming...
I asked u something....and like little tengraders u started making fun and going off topic - tengraders? Are you American?
is there a way long or short where i can transform ammonia or ammonium chloride to nitric acid? - there is already a (several, probably) topic covering nitric acid and it's production from various starting substances, ammonia included. The concensus was that it was simply not viable for the home chemist to produce it from ammonia, or ammonium compounds.

Search first.
If there are no results, which is sometimes the case, then ask politely. You, with your meagre amount of less-than-stellar posts, have no right to criticise us for not spoon feeding you.

Blind Angel's original response pretty much summed it up.

vulture - 12-2-2004 at 13:44

As we're just tengraders, I figured out that you didn't need our help anyway...so I took the courtesy of banning you for a week.

Have a nice day.

Closed.

just

anubis - 12-2-2004 at 16:08

ha! i was just cheching my -10th grade- chemestrybook and there it was.
nitric acid from ammonia.

2nh3 + 202 --900--> no2 + 3h2

no2 + h20 +02 ---> hno3

easy as that!

hope that will help u nav. at least when when u get back

ps. vulture, that was pretty bitchy!

Blind Angel - 12-2-2004 at 16:26

did you see the 900 there?
that mean a lot of heat and u'll need anhydrous amonia, if you able to make/get anhydrous amonia you'll certainly be able to get nitric acid since the first is more watched/dangerous to make
Anhydrous = Without water (not household amonia dissolved in water, nor a SALT)

thanks anubis

navarones ghost - 12-2-2004 at 16:29

ur right anub.

i had that idea too but i didnt consider o2 at the second reaction. ive would have got hno2.
i know what....i found that too in my chemtextbook of YEAR TEN
i knew i saw the reaction somewhere long time ago.
is urs also chemestry 2nd edition from nelson science?

well...i guess i fucked my calculations on vulture.
i guess hes year nine.

ur right once more...but not enough.
what vulture did was veeeeery bitchy.
anyway.....doesnt bother me.

sooo long people!!

Whoa...

chemoleo - 12-2-2004 at 17:13

Horny Bunny, you are really pushing it!

For one thing, it's an old process invented by Haber&Bosch IIRC, the oxidation of NH3 to NO. Found in the lowest of low level chemistry books.
BUT good luck doing this yourself. This has been mentioned in other threads anyhow.

Anyway... this is not a personal vendetta navarone. Vulture banned you cus you were being bitchy, insulting and demanding answers without bothering to have a look at existing threads. Plus you openly state your purposes in making drugs to drug girls into your bed... which is not something many people will respect/tolerate. After repeated warnings, advice, comments, etc you still dont listen up. I have a suspicion navarones ghost will fade away soon too...

[Edited on 13-2-2004 by chemoleo]

explaining

navarones ghost - 12-2-2004 at 17:49

first of all i came here asking for a synthesis.
suddenly all these people just start making fun of my old topic on lovedrugs.

right... ive been rude
but the fault is not only mine.
when i see that u guys keep on making fun of that for soo long is kind of annoyng.
actually is really annoyng and childish... especially when its off topic!!
i ask something and what do i get?:
haha..horny bunny
pervert
stupid..u dont know shit
and so on..

it really ressembles to a group of stupid 10th graders.

anyway im not a bastard...so lets do this:

i admit my faults.
u guys admit ur faults.

sorry sorry.

forget about what happend.

and peace.

is that ok for u?

BromicAcid - 12-2-2004 at 19:32

Actually.... there might be some good mad scientist way to convert ammonium chloride to nitric acid other then the good ol:

NH4Cl + NaOH ----> NH3 + NaCl + H2O
2NH3 + 2.5O2 --(Pt @ 900C)--> 2NO + 3H2O
NO + 1/2O2 ----> NO2
2NO2 + H2O ----> HNO3 + HNO2

I mean, if you put the ammonium chloride into solution and used a strong enough oxidizing agent it might get done. After I worked my way though all the light weight ones with no sucess I know that I would start to resort to the big guns.... I do not recomend the 'big guns' to others however..... Ammonium chloirde in soultion treated with ozone, dimanganese heptoxide, dichlorine heptoxide, sodium bismuthate, fluorine, etc. My in fact yeild the desired nitric acid (note, many of these will oxidize the water too.) Mind you I'm not saying try this... never ever never work with any of these compounds without comprehensive health and property insurance and a properly designated beneficiary in the event of your untimely demise.

axehandle - 12-2-2004 at 21:09

<quote>"uhhh uhhh

obviously im not english.
does that bother u?"
</quote>

No, it doesn't bother me, since I'm not English either. What bothers me is text so full of errors (both with regards to grammar and spelling) that it's almost impossible to read.

thunderfvck - 12-2-2004 at 23:22

I thought this was closed.
Anyway it has been very entertaining. I too enjoy the pleasures of drugging women (young boys) and luring them into my chambers. A funny story, one night, after excessive drug use and masturbation, I had stumbled upon a young boy who had experienced his first erection earlier on during the day. I encouraged him to repeat the miraculous event over some tea and biscuits. I brought him to my lair in which we undressed and sat at the table. I served him his tea and he asked why it was so white and sticky, oh! how much the young boys need to learn. And so we exchanged erections and spoke of similar yanders, needless to say his name was navarone and his penis was quite small.

[Edited on 13-2-2004 by thunderfvck]

[Edited on 13-2-2004 by thunderfvck]

I am a fish - 13-2-2004 at 06:55

Quote:

Originally posted by anubis
ha! i was just cheching my -10th grade- chemestrybook and there it was.
nitric acid from ammonia.

2nh3 + 202 --900--> no2 + 3h2

no2 + h20 +02 ---> hno3

easy as that!

hope that will help u nav. at least when when u get back

ps. vulture, that was pretty bitchy!

Before using a sock puppet, it would have been a good idea to learn English. It will take more than a change of name to disguise your semi-literate ranting.

axehandle - 13-2-2004 at 09:55

We have a saying in Sweden. Loosely translated to English it is: "If you can't be the best, try to be the worst".

The "best" applies to a specific area of expertice, the "worst" applies to "behaviour".

[Edited on 2004-2-14 by axehandle]

ska!

navarones ghost - 13-2-2004 at 13:53

jag vet at jag är inte det bästa.

there so many other people here that knows chemestry better than me.
thats why im here...to learn something new.
but it seems that people here prefer wasting time and megabites on stupid comments, rather than just answer to my questions.

im not the best...but certainly not the worst compared to some people here.

-im a fish-, u are a fish in fact of intelligence cuz there are still people in the world who actually dont act like assholes.u guys are making fun of something even if off topic.
why?
because ur like a group of sheeps, following what others do whitout using ur brain:

"baaa...lets diss navarone..baaa...why?...i dont even know why but the others are doing it so it must be cool....even if it has nothing to do with the topic...baaa."

no..anubis is not me...sorry

try smoking less pot.. its not so good for ur brain.

vulture or any other moderator...with my excuses...please lets close this topic.
im sick of this
or maybe u can leave it open..
its a perfect retards playground.

meselfs - 13-2-2004 at 16:06

IMO the best way to make Nitric is phosphoric (or if you're careless like my, hydrochloric) + pottasium nitrite.