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mr.crow - 11-10-2010 at 20:25



4 palladium coins in aqua regia. It quickly turned dark red then almost black.

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Rogeryermaw - 11-10-2010 at 20:35

ooh i love nerd porn! that is pretty! (ohh i love watching rare metal take it off! mmm bubble bubble...slower yeah...now react faster yeah!!)

mr.crow - 11-10-2010 at 20:47

Bown chicka wow wow

Jor - 12-10-2010 at 04:18

Very nice, how much palladium is in there? Love those bright red colors.

I have some as well:

Copper mirror formation:
http://s405.photobucket.com/albums/pp133/Joris12345/?action=...
Mercury oxide decomp.:
http://s405.photobucket.com/albums/pp133/Joris12345/?action=...
SnI4 in the gas phase:
http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp133/Joris12345/P1110887...

:)


mr.crow - 12-10-2010 at 06:21

The coins measured 4.3g. I used 10 ml of HNO3 and 40 mL of HCl.

I got them from ebay and assumed they weren't fake. The end product looks exactly like someone else's photo.

The copper mirror is nice!

spirocycle - 12-10-2010 at 19:23

how much did that set you back?

mr.crow - 13-10-2010 at 09:08

Over 80 bucks I think. Its actually worth more now, PdCl2 or NaPdCl4 is more expensive per gram and the mass increases with all those Cl atoms.

blogfast25 - 13-10-2010 at 12:07

One supplier I know advertises 50 g of PdCl2.2 H2O for £ 1460...

blogfast25 - 13-10-2010 at 12:08

Quote: Originally posted by blogfast25  
One supplier I know advertises 50 g of PdCl2.2 H2O for £ 1460...

Expensive water!



Oooops, meant to edit, not quote myself... These prices are making me light headed...

[Edited on 13-10-2010 by blogfast25]

spirocycle - 13-10-2010 at 12:52

what is that used for?

NERV - 13-10-2010 at 15:38

Very sexy palladium shot, worthy of a lab pin-up :D.

The copper mirror is quite sexy too.

Figured I add a few contributions of my own:

1) Formation of gold flakes from Auric Chloride by addition of sodium Metabisulfite.
2) Molten silver ingot.
3) Platinum mirror formed by addition of hydrazine sulfate to hexachloroplatinic acid.





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psychokinetic - 13-10-2010 at 16:49

That Silver ingot makes me swoon.

woelen - 13-10-2010 at 22:54

A few pictures which I like very much:

This is the fluorescence of the iodide of a pyridine-copper(I) complex which I made by reacting copper(I) iodide with pyridine:





The following picture was made, simply by lighting an air/ethanol mix in a flask:




I also like this one very much, it is the glow of singlet oxygen, falling back to normal oxygen and while doing so it emits red light. The singlet oxygen can be made by adding 30% H2O2 to Na-DCCA (swimming pool shock chlorine treatment).


metalresearcher - 14-10-2010 at 04:43

@woelen:
Pic 2 is really nice but is that not an explosion hazard ? Vaporized ethanol (or even supermarket-grade methylated spirit with the blue dye) with air is explosive ??

Pic 3: Singlet oxygen is single atomic O ? Nice trick if I can get the 30% H2O2 (ebay ?) and swimming pool stuff.

kuro96inlaila - 14-10-2010 at 04:52

Quote: Originally posted by Rogeryermaw  
ooh i love nerd porn! that is pretty! (ohh i love watching rare metal take it off! mmm bubble bubble...slower yeah...now react faster yeah!!)


Well,chemist like us always enjoy it!:D

metalresearcher - 14-10-2010 at 04:58

Oh here a nice movie I made from boiling Aluminum with an electric arc:

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kuro96inlaila - 14-10-2010 at 06:47

Take a look at my picture!
I don't know if it is not beautiful,but I find it interesting!


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Me holding mercury metal!



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Burning copper(II) nitrate in granite mortar.

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Me while burning a pile of blackpowder in the same granite mortar.

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Sublimating iodine in aluminium-iodine reaction.

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Sperrylite mineral (PtAs2) after a while in concentrate hydrochloric acid.

mr.crow - 14-10-2010 at 18:57

Oooh tons more pretty pictures

Rogeryermaw - 14-10-2010 at 21:37

i'm sure you've seen the pictures in the phosphorus thread. i was trying to take some in the dark of the green glow but it's so faint my shitty cam barely pics it up...:( i did catch this nice vid of some P4 dissolved i benzene. as the benzene evaporates the P4 oxidizes but i only used a tiny bit so it would show the lovely glow rather than cause conflagration.

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here is the link to the vid on boobtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XA02M9yf1qg

there are other vids of the phosphorus making process on my channel. they were private but i opened the rest to the public cuz fuck it that's why. everyone should be able to share the information i have or that makes me a censoring government dick.

[Edited on 15-10-2010 by Rogeryermaw]

mr.crow - 15-10-2010 at 14:44

I'm glad you made the videos public, I never really saw anything controversial in them. I understand your reasons though.

I have a video of the aqua regia, maybe I should post that :)

kuro96inlaila - 15-10-2010 at 21:47

Quote: Originally posted by mr.crow  

I have a video of the aqua regia, maybe I should post that :)


Yes,please?:D

Rogeryermaw - 16-10-2010 at 06:33

Quote: Originally posted by metalresearcher  
@woelen:
Pic 2 is really nice but is that not an explosion hazard ? Vaporized ethanol (or even supermarket-grade methylated spirit with the blue dye) with air is explosive ??



i wouldn't say it's impossible but this question made me curious so i put on my face sheild and tried it several times. no explosion but it sure looks cool!

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ok obviously it's not a true "barking dog" but the effect, while milder is quite similar. no CS2 or P4 or S but it's still pretty. woelen's was much nicer and the still he captured really does justice to the effect.

later i will upload a vid of elemental phosphorus reacting with chlorine gas. did that last night and it's niiiice:D

i know it says pretty "pictures" but i do hope video is ok?



[Edited on 16-10-2010 by Rogeryermaw]

[Edited on 16-10-2010 by Rogeryermaw]

BromicAcid - 16-10-2010 at 07:39

Some very beautiful pictures in this thread. I wish I had more myself, I took hundreds of pictures of my experiments at home however my camera was a much older model, something like 256 KB quality so most of my pictures are grainy / blurry / bad color. Somehow when the elements were perfect however, by some quirk of fate, it would take a good picture, not as pretty as the rest in the thread but pretty enough:

Pulling off ammonia though a compressor with copper tubing created ammonia complex in wash bottle.



One of my favorites, electrolysis of lithium chloride in DMSO with nickel electrodes



Trying to distill CS2 from carbon and sulfur and only ended up distilling sulfur



The first experiment I photographed, burning potassium after its creation


Such a beautiful science!

blogfast25 - 16-10-2010 at 09:34

@BromicAcid:

electrolysis of lithium chloride in DMSO with nickel electrodes

So what's the 'stuff'?

Rogeryermaw - 16-10-2010 at 12:43

here are a couple of pics and the vid of P4 with Cl2

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reaction flask inerted with CO2 with sand on bottom to mitigate breakage risk
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the bottle of P4...ghetto home-made tag but better than unlabeled no?
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cut a small piece to react
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fresh chlorine gas for reaction

and finally the reaction. i drew some of the Cl2 gas into the syringe and "injected" it over the chunk of P4.

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shook the flask a little trying to get the syringe out and stopper on. don't sweat fellas. i'm using ventilation. last thing i want to do is gas myself with a nerve agent (PCl3).:o

the reaction is A LOT more energetic if you just drop the P4 in the chlorine flask but safety first you know.



[Edited on 16-10-2010 by Rogeryermaw]

mr.crow - 16-10-2010 at 20:38

Here is a video

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I also boiled it down successfully to PdCl2 :D

BromicAcid - 16-10-2010 at 22:53

Mr.crow, thanks for the wonderful picture, it's my desktop now :)

@ Blogfast25
Don't really know what that stuff is. You can see the bottom layer is turning blue/green from the nickel electrodes dissolving. The solids at the bottom are undissolved lithium chloride. When the current was jacked wayyyy up I could get a solid deposit on the cathode that reacted with water with hissing / spattering. My hope at the time was to make lithium, but when I looked into it more it seems some kind of methyl lithium complex was more likely. Don't remember exactly now but it was reported in the DMSO technical bulletin. As you can see however the colors are very vibrant. The red color becomes almost black when allowed to run for some time and solids start to precipitate.

Rogeryermaw - 16-10-2010 at 23:37

@ BromicAcid my daughter about blew a gasket when she saw that bright pink fire! was that a thermite or electrolysis produced potassium or obtained by other means? would it be possible to share your method? i would love to reproduce this for her. pink just makes her day and that makes my day! :)

BromicAcid - 17-10-2010 at 05:45

Thermite, KOH with magnesium shavings (made myself using a drill). That was a ca. 10 gram scale if I remember it right. I just used a soup can and kept the lid down, it ignited in a few seconds with a torch at the bottom and after the fireworks I pulled back the lid and hit it down on the picnic table causing that fireball.

blogfast25 - 17-10-2010 at 08:30

Thanks BromicAcid...

Rogeryermaw - 17-10-2010 at 10:58

thank you BromicAcid. i appreciate you for that. i'll give this a try soon. maybe soon i'll get back to running the furnace too. sorry for lagging. i've got sinus pressure so bad it feels like my eyes are gonna blow out accompanied by the worst headache i've had in 5 years. problem is i've tried every otc med there is and since i started with this hobby i've been apprehensive about buying any cold meds with psudo in it where traditionally they have worked well for me. so i have to weather it out. but when it passes i'll get back out there. thanks for sharing though. my daughter is begging me to try this.

with a daughter in elementary school and a wife working in the E.R. i guess a lot of germs get brought home....

[Edited on 17-10-2010 by Rogeryermaw]

Magpie - 17-10-2010 at 11:47

phosphine burning...

phosphine burning.JPG - 27kB

luminol + KOH in DMSO...

[Edited on 17-10-2010 by Magpie]

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Rogeryermaw - 21-10-2010 at 22:37

freshly distilled fuming nitric acid.


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i know it's not doing anything spectacular but i think all the acids are pretty. it will likely go toward aqua regia...got a couple of cpu's i dont have a use for.

[Edited on 22-10-2010 by Rogeryermaw]

mr.crow - 22-10-2010 at 10:54

Its like a genie in a bottle! Don't rub it the wrong way.

I like the phosphine picture.

Methansaeuretier - 22-10-2010 at 11:30

Here's my current self-made desktop background.
It's a picture of a part of an home-made ozonisator I'm currently working on.



Full size:
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/8504/dsc01695y.jpg






[Edited on 22-10-2010 by Methansaeuretier]

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blogfast25 - 11-12-2010 at 13:03

Physical Laws in action: standing waves in a sauce pan of water about to be brought to the boil, vibrations supplied by a tumble drier about a yard away:





On occasion I’ve seen almost perfectly radially symmetrical standing waves in a half filled pop bottle stood on the drier.

These just show how hard it is to imagine the three dimensional standing waves in the quantum systems that are the electron clouds of our beloved atoms and molecules…

Sulphur mining Kawah Ijen volcano East Java, Indonesia

The WiZard is In - 13-12-2010 at 10:10

One would wonder how long these miners live!

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/12/kawah_ijen_by_night...


At no extra charge —
Bulletin of pharmacy, Volume 9 1895

The Sicilian method of procuring pure sulphur from the crude material is wasteful in
the extreme. A pit’s dug in the hillside, about thirty-three feet in diameter and eight
feet deep, and this is filled up with the crude sulphur. It is then fired from the top
and permitted to burn as long as it will. The pure sulphur runs out below and is
collected in a stone vessel and then ladled into damp poplar-wood moulds. These
moulds give the truncated cones of sulphur known to commerce, which weigh from
110 to 130 pounds each. A pit containing about 28,000 cubic feet of crude sulphur
yields in two months 200 tons of the pure sulphur. A large quantity of the crude
sulphur is thus consumed in burning the rest, so that a comparatively small
percentage of pure sulphur is obtained from the mass. The method is, besides, most
unwholesome both to man and to vegetation. Strict laws prevent the burning of
sulphur within a certain distance of human habitation or growing crops, and the
region where sulphur-burning is general is a dreary waste. The scarcity of fuel in Sicily
has seemed to render necessary this crude method of reducing the ore.

There do be a zillion references to this… I choose this because it came up atop the list
@ google.com/books

---
Anyone who has taken High School chemistry is aware of the
Frasch process for mining sulphur. For more than most anyone
here wants to know 'bout the process (which required some
sosphicated engineering) I commend -

Herman Fresch description of his method in - Presentation of the
Perking Medal to Herman Frasch Journal of the Society of
Chemical Industry X(12):73-82 February, 1912.

Google has saved me the trouble of scanning my copy.
http://tinyurl.com/387xpoo


"The surface, consisting of about 200 ft. of clay, follows the
quicksand, gently but surely, and in order to maintain the
pressure which is necessary to prevent the melting water
from breaking into steam, the volume of the sulphur abstracted
from below must be replaced by earth from above. To do this a
dredge with a capacity of 4000 cu. yd. per day became necessary.
Numerous reservoirs have been dug on the outskirts of the mine
to supply the material required to do this. This filling has been
going on constantly, and the ground has sunk to such an extent
that where our house once stood is now 80 ft. below the original
surface."




DougTheMapper - 13-12-2010 at 10:52

The pictures of burning sulfur are really neat, but what an environmental nightmare!

Here are a few from my shop that I'm particularly fond of:



This is of a water electrolysis cell I built using NaHCO3 solution as the electrolyte and stainless steel plates for electrodes.



I built it because I wanted an oxyhydrogen torch. Here's the picture of the nearly invisible flame igniting a bit of paper.



And my favorite: melting a chunk of refractory designed to take 1600C.

Construction details and pictures here if anyone's interested.

mr.crow - 13-12-2010 at 19:55

Good stuff everyone

Won't the oxy-hydrogen flame move into the tubes and explode?

bbartlog - 13-12-2010 at 20:13

Follow the link he provided. There are multiple attempts to prevent and mitigate flashback (mainly though, steel wool in the large steel tube).

mrjeffy321 - 13-12-2010 at 21:30


kuro96inlaila - 14-12-2010 at 04:46

Any explanation about molybdenum picture?

DougTheMapper - 14-12-2010 at 07:30

Mo has oxidation states of 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, -1, and -2. IIRC it also easily forms complexes. I imagine that quite a few colors can be made with Mo compounds.

watson.fawkes - 14-12-2010 at 08:54

Quote: Originally posted by DougTheMapper  
This is of a water electrolysis cell I built using NaHCO3 solution as the electrolyte and stainless steel plates for electrodes.
Thanks for this. I've been thinking about making one of these myself. I even just rebooted an existing thread on these kind of torches.

blogfast25 - 14-12-2010 at 08:54

Molybdenum electron configuration [Kr] 5s1 4d5: lots of oxidation states and lots of possibilities for colours with those unfilled d-orbitals absorbing VIS photons…

mrjeffy321 - 14-12-2010 at 23:48

Quote: Originally posted by kuro96inlaila  
Any explanation about molybdenum picture?


Quote: Originally posted by DougTheMapper  
Mo has oxidation states of 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, -1, and -2. IIRC it also easily forms complexes. I imagine that quite a few colors can be made with Mo compounds.


Right, molybdenum has several possible oxidation states and, in combination with various complexing agents, it is fairly easy to create a wide variety of colorful solutions. Above, I created a 'rainbow' of molybdenum solutions by changing the oxidation state of the Mo ions, complexing agent, and pH.

turd - 15-12-2010 at 02:02

Quote: Originally posted by DougTheMapper  
Mo has oxidation states of 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, -1, and -2. IIRC it also easily forms complexes.

That's a quite naïve view of Mo chemistry. In reality Mo does all kind of crazy polyoxoanions (isolated, chains, sheets, 3D) where Mo has non-integer oxidation states. If you're (un)lucky it's incommensurate and every single Mo atom in your compound has a different oxidation state. That's in solid state - in solution it's probably even more complicated since the whole mess is dynamic. Just say no to Mo chemistry. :P

NurdRage - 15-12-2010 at 13:37

Crystals of elemental silver





kuro96inlaila - 15-12-2010 at 23:05

Quote: Originally posted by NurdRage  
Crystals of elemental silver






Is that silver crystal formed from displacement of silver by copper metal from silver nitrate solution?

NurdRage - 16-12-2010 at 00:44

Electrochemical deposition. I'm putting together a video on the process.

blogfast25 - 16-12-2010 at 08:57

Nurd:

Any idea of scale? This looks like a microscope shot with typically some areas in focus, some not. If so: good shots!

mr.crow - 16-12-2010 at 10:41

Reminds me of this video near the end. Very cool

NurdRage - 16-12-2010 at 11:50

Quote: Originally posted by blogfast25  
Nurd:

Any idea of scale? This looks like a microscope shot with typically some areas in focus, some not. If so: good shots!


Yeah it's a microscope shot. :)

blogfast25 - 18-12-2010 at 14:08

It’s that cold in my lab right now: a frozen solution of 0.1 N KMnO4 in a burette. You’ve heard of permafrost, now you’ve seen permanganate frost!



bfesser - 18-12-2010 at 19:12

You might want to invest in a small electric space heater. Just be sure your volatile flammables are carefully stored away!

blogfast25 - 19-12-2010 at 06:58

Quote: Originally posted by bfesser  
You might want to invest in a small electric space heater. Just be sure your volatile flammables are carefully stored away!


Got one: in the current conditions it hardly makes a dent in it! We've had another 15 - 20 cm of snow overnight.

kuro96inlaila - 19-12-2010 at 07:40

Quote: Originally posted by blogfast25  
It’s that cold in my lab right now: a frozen solution of 0.1 N KMnO4 in a burette. You’ve heard of permafrost, now you’ve seen permanganate frost!




That must be crazily cold weather until that permanganate solution get freezed!:o

blogfast25 - 19-12-2010 at 10:06

Well, at 0.1 N, the solution is only 0.02 M, so really quite dilute...

Crystallisation of FeCl3.6H2O from a concentrated solution:





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[Edited on 19-12-2010 by blogfast25]

NurdRage - 19-12-2010 at 13:31

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnyBldC4Ra4

This is the silver crystals video i said i was making earlier.

blogfast25 - 19-12-2010 at 14:50

Very well shot. Do you also know what current you were running?

NurdRage - 19-12-2010 at 15:09

no idea, probably less than 10ma for the slow growth videos. Maybe in the future i'll do more precise growth with controlled conditions.

blogfast25 - 20-12-2010 at 07:08

Quote: Originally posted by NurdRage  
no idea, probably less than 10ma for the slow growth videos. Maybe in the future i'll do more precise growth with controlled conditions.


Yes, it must be a very low current for such slow growth. With an SnCl2 solution I got crystals of almost a cm long with 4 A in about 1 - 2 mins...

crazedguy - 21-12-2010 at 15:46

Nurdrage Could that crystal growth be done with different elements?
Could you give examples of ones that would work,thanks.

[Edited on 22-12-2010 by crazedguy]

Ozone - 21-12-2010 at 18:22

Here is a picture of me working up a fluorescein-type (resorcinol malein) synthesis. It's more a matter of removing all of the other crap from your product, rather than vice-versa. The yields are *that* bad. Fortunately, the precursors are cheap.

Anyhow, here is some of it on silica gel eluting out with a manual (EtOAc:Hexanes:Methanol) gradient.

This was taken with an Iphone 3GS and an El cheapo blacklight.

Cheers,

O3

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[Edited on 22-12-2010 by Ozone]

UnintentionalChaos - 22-12-2010 at 00:17

Quote: Originally posted by blogfast25  
Quote: Originally posted by NurdRage  
no idea, probably less than 10ma for the slow growth videos. Maybe in the future i'll do more precise growth with controlled conditions.


Yes, it must be a very low current for such slow growth. With an SnCl2 solution I got crystals of almost a cm long with 4 A in about 1 - 2 mins...


Hrm...in that case, the power source I'm using must be churning out a MUCH higher amperage than it is rated for...since it is also rated for 4A (no multimeter to check though).

Anyway, Sn crystal growth in real time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Af9GAUYDrlQ

NurdRage - 22-12-2010 at 00:18

Quote: Originally posted by crazedguy  
Nurdrage Could that crystal growth be done with different elements?
Could you give examples of ones that would work,thanks.

[Edited on 22-12-2010 by crazedguy]


Probably so, although i haven't tried any to say how good they will be. I'm told that tin works really well. from a solution of tin(II) chloride.

blogfast25 - 22-12-2010 at 07:13

Quote: Originally posted by UnintentionalChaos  
Quote: Originally posted by blogfast25  
Quote: Originally posted by NurdRage  
no idea, probably less than 10ma for the slow growth videos. Maybe in the future i'll do more precise growth with controlled conditions.


Yes, it must be a very low current for such slow growth. With an SnCl2 solution I got crystals of almost a cm long with 4 A in about 1 - 2 mins...


Hrm...in that case, the power source I'm using must be churning out a MUCH higher amperage than it is rated for...since it is also rated for 4A (no multimeter to check though).

Anyway, Sn crystal growth in real time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Af9GAUYDrlQ


No, I don't really think so: your growth rate is about the same as mine, a little higher perhaps. Also: my electrode was much more compact and crystals grew in all directions (for the same amount of tin that makes for shorter, more compact crystals): I used a graphite electrode from one of the larger type batteries. I used a 12 V, max. 48 W rated DC source, so max. current 4 A.

[Edited on 22-12-2010 by blogfast25]

Cuauhtemoc - 22-12-2010 at 18:12

Quote: Originally posted by blogfast25  
Quote: Originally posted by bfesser  
You might want to invest in a small electric space heater. Just be sure your volatile flammables are carefully stored away!


Got one: in the current conditions it hardly makes a dent in it! We've had another 15 - 20 cm of snow overnight.



I would love to have an opportunity to conduct some experiments at very low temperatures(-10C at least), but where I live it's about 30C in a cool day.
So, be glad you live in a very cold place!

mr.crow - 1-1-2011 at 22:01

Here is another video for the pretty picture collection!

hkparker - 2-1-2011 at 18:07

I made a photobucket of some of my more interesting pictures, enjoy. <a href="http://s1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee392/hkparkerlabs/" target="tab">link</a>

kuro96inlaila - 11-1-2011 at 08:13

Have a look at this,very interesting!:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HY7mTCMvpEM

Sure a lot of fish boiled there:P
Anyway it is old way to dispose sodium,old but fantastic!:D

blogfast25 - 1-3-2011 at 09:30

For those who haven’t seen it: the Royal Society for Chemistry’s Periodic Table of the Elements;

http://www.rsc.org/chemsoc/visualelements/pages/pertable_fla...

NurdRage - 1-3-2011 at 11:35

a glowing carnation i made:

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/1859/glowteaser.jpg

Sedit - 1-3-2011 at 11:56

Rightfully named Nurdrage, Teaser:D You gonna tell us how or just leave us hanging. Pretty cool. Someone should give there lady freind a glowing rose because if that don't say special I don't know what does.

NurdRage - 1-3-2011 at 12:29

actually it came off my latest video:

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Nothing special really, just take a flower and stick it into highlighter fluid water and then shine a UV light on it after one day.

Safe and cool looking.

blogfast25 - 1-3-2011 at 13:33

Sure looks cool!

Sedit - 1-3-2011 at 21:43

Quote: Originally posted by NurdRage  
actually it came off Nothing special really, just take a flower and stick it into highlighter fluid water and then shine a UV light on it after one day.

Safe and cool looking.


Cool, glad I know whats going on because I recently for no reason lost sound on my computer:o.

Did you come up with this idea or have you seen other do the same as well? Im shocked I have never seen something so simple done. The dye and flower idea has been around for ages so I would expect someone to think of UV dye alone time ago I just have never seen such a thing.

Thanks for sharing.

NurdRage - 2-3-2011 at 00:22

@blogfast thanks


@sedit Came up with it myself.

I had a firm educated hypothesis though; i studied analytical chemistry and knew biological samples were routinely stained with fluorescent dyes. So i guess THOSE scientists get 80% of the credit. An old kids TV show i watched back when i was 5 gets 15% of the credit for showing me the plant and food coloring idea, 4% of the credit goes to my analytical chemistry professors, and i claim 1% for putting it together. ;)

Sedit - 2-3-2011 at 07:35

Damn man, you about as modest and humble as it gets aint ya:D.

Nice work no matter what, im glad to see it you gave it your all. When most people wish to put in 110% effort on things Dr Butyl is more then happy to suffice with just 1% and still get the job done:P

Morgan - 3-3-2011 at 11:12

I don't have any photos, but some flowers if touched with a cigarette turn pretty colors. I remember putting patterns of dots all over the flowers. It was almost like litmus paper the way they would change. Things like purple morning glory flowers work, in Oregeon I found several flowers that produced very pretty effects. I imagine you could develop the process further, making something artistic and noteworthy. Hydrangeas can be pink or blue, depending on the pH of the soil.

blogfast25 - 8-4-2011 at 09:59

Bottom of the tube: NaCl (solid, about 11 g), top CuSO4.5H2O (solid, about 14 g, with 50 ml water poured over it all. Due to the high solubility of CuSO4.5H2O (> 30 g/100 g water) some of the CuSO4 dissolved immediately on pouring on the water, where the dissolved Cu2+ then reacts with NaCl to form the green CuCl4 (2-) complex anion. The green is so intense the white NaCl appears green!




After shaking the tube for some time:



This solution can be considered a solution of Cu2+, CuCl4 (2-), Na+ and SO4(2-).


[Edited on 9-4-2011 by blogfast25]

DJF90 - 8-4-2011 at 10:50

Now add some Aluminium foil a la woelen :D

blogfast25 - 8-4-2011 at 13:32

Quote: Originally posted by DJF90  
Now add some Aluminium foil a la woelen :D


I will! :cool:

blogfast25 - 9-4-2011 at 06:03

So this is the CuSO4/NaCl tube after adding some aluminium (a few of these little levers you use for opening a pop can) and standing overnight:



Top layer is greyish CuCl with a wad of elemental copper ‘hidden’ in it, then follows a green layer and at the bottom of the tube is some CuCl. Here’s the wad of copper sponge recovered and rinsed:



What took me by surprise a bit was the heat generated by the reduction of Cu2+(aq) by Al(s). Of course the cell potential ΔE for 3 Cu2+(aq) + 2 Al(s) === > 3 Cu(s) + 2 Al3+(aq) is very healthy and thus ΔG = -nFΔE is too but in this case things appeared to even start boiling, which is why the copper was found in the top bit of the tube! Of course it was a concentrated solution too (almost saturated).

The CuCl was of course formed by Cu(s) + Cu2+(aq) + 2 Cl-(aq) === > 2 CuCl(s). The heat will have helped a lot! Here’s some of the CuCl transferred to another (smaller) test tube:



Left: the CuCl.

Right: after adding 4 M NaOH. The green precipitate is likely to be our old friend the Cu[+I]/Cu[+II] complex, due to some remaining Cu2+ (the suspension as slightly bueish).


Reaction with ammonia:



Middle: the left tube from above was decanted off, then fresh water added and then decanted again. 4 % NH3 solution was then added. The deep blue is the colour of the Cu+ ammonia complex: Cu [+I] forms the same complex as Cu2+ and it’s blue too. The weak ammonia dissolves all the CuCl!

Left: adding 4 M NaOH changes nothing for a few minutes, indicating strength of the complex. But then slowly precipitation starts…

Right: the same tube as above right, after a bit of standing what is more or less Cu2O has dropped out (CuO's colour depends on a lot of things...)

DJF90 - 9-4-2011 at 07:37

The reaction is very vigourous indeed. I think you'd have better results by making the solution in a beaker and laying a piece of foil on top of the solution. It won't be there for long, I'll guarentee that!!

blogfast25 - 9-4-2011 at 08:42

Oh, I’ve plated out many a metal from solution using Al but in this case the oxidising solution was very concentrated (about 1.1 M in Cu2+ and the Standard Cell Potential just over 2 V). I might want to determine the heat of reaction with my compensation calorimeter…

Bot0nist - 9-4-2011 at 10:49

Made some CuSO<sub>4</sub>·5H2O using 12% H<sub>2</sub>O<sub>2</sub> and 98% H<sub>2</sub>SO<sub>4</sub>




blogfast25 - 9-4-2011 at 12:20

Wonderful! Describe the conditions of your process more precisely, please?

Bot0nist - 9-4-2011 at 13:13

50ml of 12% H<sub>2</sub>O<sub>2</sub> was poured into a 100ml beaker and chilled to aprox. 5c. 10ml of 98% H<sub>2</sub>SO<sub>4</sub> was added slowly while stirring. A 10g piece of cleaned copper pipe was added and the reaction preceded immediately and rather violently with a lot of fizzing and some splashing. The solution began to turn blue almost instantaneously and the color got darker as the reaction continued. The beaker was placed in a still area to sit overnight. Approximately 15 hours later I took these pictures. Aside from the crystals on the pipe, there is a great mass that formed on the bottom of the beaker as well.

My wife actually enjoyed this project, as opposed to some of my others;)


[Edited on 9-4-2011 by Bot0nist]

blogfast25 - 10-4-2011 at 09:57

Bot0nist:

This is the first time I’ve seen a decent write-up of this quick and mean synth. of CuSO4, straight from conc. H2SO4 (but maybe I should get out more often? :D ). I only have H2O2 9% and H2SO4 about 95 % but I’ll definitely be trying this shortly, Thank you!

Bot0nist - 10-4-2011 at 11:02

Thanks for the kind words, unfortunately credit mostly belongs to nurdrage. Check out his youtube channel. He shows three different methods for copper sulfate . One with sulfuric and hydrogen peroxide as the oxidant, and one using HNO<sub>3</sub> as the oxidant. I will try his electrochemical method next, as the H<sub>2</sub>O<sub>2</sub> method is a bit inefficient. It is so easy and fun I had to try it though.

The 9% peroxide should work fine. This reaction works in diluted solutions. Maybe try 60ml to 15ml or around that. A lot of the H<sub>2</sub>O<sub>2</sub> decomposes during the reaction. Maybe reducing heat build up will help with this though.

blogfast25 - 10-4-2011 at 11:38

I'll check that out :cool:

nezza - 17-4-2011 at 06:26

Hi. I was cutting up some praseodymium recently and ended up with some filings. As a reactive metal I thought it would be interesting to mix with an oxidiser and ignite. I got a lovely "soft" explosion and clouds of dark brown smoke (Presumably an oxide of praseodymium). I have attached a Single frame and a slow motion video of the explosion.

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kuro96inlaila - 17-4-2011 at 07:18

Quote: Originally posted by nezza  
Hi. I was cutting up some praseodymium recently and ended up with some filings. As a reactive metal I thought it would be interesting to mix with an oxidiser and ignite. I got a lovely "soft" explosion and clouds of dark brown smoke (Presumably an oxide of praseodymium). I have attached a Single frame and a slow motion video of the explosion.





Hmm,exotic pyro composition!
Never see praseodymium flash powder before!:D

NurdRage - 17-4-2011 at 21:57

Sodium made by magnesium + sodium hydroxide process.

First shot is the synthesis right from the raw slag, and the second is after workup and cleaning.

Dirty Sodium.jpg - 187kB Cleaned Sodium.jpg - 172kB

blogfast25 - 18-4-2011 at 01:29

Nurdrage:

This is still sodium by magnesiothermy, right? Not 'Pok's method'?

Very nice pix, BTW! :cool:

[Edited on 18-4-2011 by blogfast25]

NurdRage - 18-4-2011 at 12:07

Yeah its not pok's method.

So don't worry, i haven't beaten ya to it. ;)

blogfast25 - 18-4-2011 at 12:10

Hey, I wish you would: makes my life easier!

You seem to have improved the magnesiothermic method though: I don't recall nice globules. Care to share?

NurdRage - 18-4-2011 at 13:40

Yield is still shit, around ~10%. I want to get that to ~50% before i share it.

m1tanker78 - 18-4-2011 at 13:43

Don't judge a book by its cover? :D

Unrefined sodium nugget dissected to check internal integrity. Ugly outside; lustrous inside...




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