jarynth - 8-9-2008 at 12:23
As a follow-up to the MSG thread
https://sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=9105
I was speculating about the hydroxylative deamination of glutamic acid (and other alpha-aminoacids). The interest lies in keeping the carboxylic group
in the first position, unlike what happens during oxidation to alpha-ketoglutaric acid (and analogs), to get alpha-hydroxyglutaric acid (etc).
Unfortunately I know of no general method of getting alcohols from amines except via diazotization. Is this even feasible alpha to a carboxylic group?
Also, what's the influence of the side chain?
Klute - 8-9-2008 at 12:48
Yes, i think amino acids diazotize well enough. There was a preparation of 2-bromo/chloro ethyl propanoate by diazotation of the corresponding amino
acid ethyl etser IIRC.
You should be able to make the alcohol, but you might get traces of chloride if you use dil. HCl as the acid.
alpha-OHacids from Aminoacids
tapira1 - 8-9-2008 at 13:48
Yes, you can do that by diazotization. Have seen examples where you loose some optical purity (i.e. you have some epimerization of your chiral
center).
Below you will find a reference; think that you do not need an expensive nitrate such as AgNO3.
Additional ref: (10) Urban, F. J.; Moore, B. S. J. Heterocycl. Chem. 1992, 29, 431. (do not have access to the Journal)
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acetoxy acids from aminoacids
tapira1 - 8-9-2008 at 14:08
Sorry to post twice; attached is a procedure yielding acetoxyacids from aminoacids.
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sonogashira - 8-9-2008 at 14:12
I'm guessing that H2SO4 and NaNO2 will go the job. HBr and NaNO2 gives the bromide via the cyclic intermediate (OH of CO2H displaces N2+) because Br
is nuclephilic but if a non-nucleophilic counterion is used(sulfate/hydrogensulfate) then surely hydrolysis will take place to give the racemized
product.
Last one on hydroxyacids
tapira1 - 8-9-2008 at 14:13
I apologize; wont post anymore in order to avoid being observed by the Mod. Just found this one; the supplementary material is free I suppose and it
has two alternatives towards the target. Next time will try to prepara a rar file.
MOD. Forgive me please. I should have hit "post reply" and clicked on "new topic". Please move, if possible, or delete.
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tapira1 - 8-9-2008 at 14:18
It is not as simple as Sonogashira points it out. The assistance given by the carboxyl group helps mantaining (at least in part" the stereochemistry
in the product; otherwise you would get racemic products always. Please check other references posted on the subject (an compare stereochemistry in
the product Vs. stereochem in the starting material).
sonogashira - 8-9-2008 at 14:24
Sorry, you're absolutely right. There'll be retention of stereochemistry (2 x Sn2).
zed - 10-9-2008 at 22:21
An interesting side product of this nifty diazotization/deamination reaction, is the generation of deadly oxides of nitrogen. This is mentioned in
passing, in the procedures that are detailed in Organic Synthesis.
They suggest things like gas masks, a good fume hood, and using a water aspirator etc. to entrain the toxic gases.
What precautions have you taken when running this reaction?
Will bubbling these gases through a strong sodium hydroxide solution, effectively neutralize them?
jarynth - 11-9-2008 at 06:17
Bah, I never bother to read the notes in OrgSyn. But being concerned about the environment, I connected the vent pipe from the flask directly to my
left nostril 
Seriously though, sodium carbonate generaly suffices for catching the nitrogen oxides. This is a rather benign reaction compared to nitrations, etc.
The diazotization itself does not produce nitrogen oxides; these are caused by the excess of nitrous acid the solution.
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