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Formatik - 25-6-2008 at 11:57

Anyone have had this problem? Neighbors apparently so obsessed with your hobby, that they feel self-righteous enough to come over to your property and verbally insult you?

[Edited on 25-6-2008 by Schockwave]

Magpie - 25-6-2008 at 12:48

No, mostly because they don't know that I have that particular hobby. I talk about my fishing, woodworking, and gardening, but not that hobby. I concluded long ago that discussing/displaying this hobby with the general public, and neighbors in particular, would lead to nothing but trouble. It's not just, but it is reality. I don't like it that way, it's just a survival mechanism.

I was recently talking to a young man who does art glass blowing for a living. He had a large tank of propane and a large tank of oxygen in his backyard before moving his equipment into his business location. His neighbors called the cops on him because of the tanks in his yard.

The_Davster - 25-6-2008 at 13:42

When I was starting chemistry, I did everything outside, in plain view of the neighbors, I believe one of the first things I tried was making malachite, and I using many mason jars of strange blue solutions. I caught them watching at least once. I used to have a pyrotechnics hobby, which they really enjoyed on new years and Canada day, and annoyed them the rest of the year.

(I heard a conversation between the husband and wife about whether to call the cops or not once

, I stopped after that)

I did all hardcore chemistry with the fancy equipment indoors or in the garage. They havent seen anything chemistry related, nor any fireworks in years, so everything is fine between us now.

Never once did they try to play neighborhood Stasi with me.

Formatik - 25-6-2008 at 14:22

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Originally posted by Magpie
No, mostly because they don't know that I have that particular hobby. I talk about my fishing, woodworking, and gardening, but not that hobby. I concluded long ago that discussing/displaying this hobby with the general public, and neighbors in particular, would lead to nothing but trouble. It's not just, but it is reality. I don't like it that way, it's just a survival mechanism.

I think you're absolutley right. The kind of trust I've generously extended to these people, and restricting to not creating anything large enough to stink, make noise, etc., only comes at my own price. The general public has as much of an idea about this stuff as a bee does swimming under water.

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I was recently talking to a young man who does art glass blowing for a living. He had a large tank of propane and a large tank of oxygen in his backyard before moving his equipment into his business location. His neighbors called the cops on him because of the tanks in his yard.

That's a shame even the glass blowers are becoming suspects.

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Originally posted by The_Davster
When I was starting chemistry, I did everything outside, in plain view of the neighbors, I believe one of the first things I tried was making malachite, and I using many mason jars of strange blue solutions. I caught them watching at least once. I used to have a pyrotechnics hobby, which they really enjoyed on new years and Canada day, and annoyed them the rest of the year.

(I heard a conversation between the husband and wife about whether to call the cops or not once

I also do everything inside in my cellar, but the thing is there are windows through which they can and do leer in. I also think my mistake there is do the experiments also at night.

Zinc - 25-6-2008 at 15:03

My neighbors know what I do and they have no problem with that. I do most of my experiments in a improvised lab with a lot of windows. People from more than 300m can see my inside the lab

. My whole village knows that I am a "bomber" as they call me

Every time they hear something that could be an explosion they ask me: Did you do that?

Visitors and tourists are a big problem for me. They get scared when they hear an explosion and call the police

[Edited on 25-6-2008 by Zinc]

The_Davster - 25-6-2008 at 17:38

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Originally posted by Schockwave

I also do everything inside in my cellar, but the thing is there are windows through which they can and do leer in. I also think my mistake there is do the experiments also at night.

If you are that worried and if you do the experiments at night, you and all your equipment will be much more visible from outdoors than during the day.

Magpie - 25-6-2008 at 17:48

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If you are that worried and if you do the experiments at night, you and all your equipment will be much more visible from outdoors than during the day.

This is true. I have a one-way film on my garage door window but that does me no good at night. Also, even if the blinds are closed, seeing the window lit makes the neighbors curious. As Organkium once stated there is nothing worse than a neighbor who is now suspicious but can't figure out what's going on. Her (his) imagination can then just run wild coming up with the worst scenarios.

len1 - 25-6-2008 at 18:03

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I have a one-way film on my garage door window but that does me no good at night. Also, even if the blinds are closed, seeing the window lit makes the neighbors curious.

The logical conclusion if one finds onrself having thoughts like that is that one is living in a police state. And I hear your top guy going on about 'love of freedom'. If he cant make people inside his country feel free what chance is there he can bring those sorts of feelings to others.

[Edited on 26-6-2008 by len1]

Magpie - 25-6-2008 at 21:16

len1 says:

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The logical conclusion if one finds onrself having thoughts like that is that one is living in a police state.

The one-way film on the garage door window is south facing and was installed there over 25 years ago to reflect the intense rays of the summer sun. It has the added benefit of giving me some privacy during daylight hours.

I may be a little more paranoid than most US home chemists. I just love this hobby too much to risk losing it.

I doubt if current "police state" conditions in the US are any worse than those of many other nations in the world. Do you (len1) feel comfortable discussing/displaying your chemistry hobby to your neighbors? If you do then you are very fortunate, or else I have misconstrued what I've seen posted by Australians.

MagicJigPipe - 25-6-2008 at 22:26

The US is much worse in some ways. I get the feeling that neighbors/other people seem to think they know what's best for everyone else here (more so than in other societies).

This doesn't really count as a "neighbor incident", but one time my landlord "came a'knockin'" so I invited him in (big mistake). I had a distillation setup stored in the second bedroom which served as a huge storage closet. I made the stupid mistake of showing it to him and explaining what I do...

About a week later my girlfriend called me while I was at work to tell me that someone had broken into the house and all of my glassware had been smashed. There was an eviction notice on the door and a text message on my phone calling me a "meth cook". I also discovered a bag full of empty iodine tincture bottles hidden in a dresser drawer in that same room (it wasn't mine). The cops never busted down my door but I know they were watching me as I packed. I even reported the break-in to the cops and showed them the baggy of tinctures... nothing came of it.

So, because of someone elses ignorance and hysteria and the indifference of the police I lost my apartment.

I can't believe I haven't told this story on this forum yet... Wait, I think I told half of it...

I'm telling you guys, we must rise up and put down this bullshit (this does not necessarily mean violence). If we (the non-ignorant American people) don't we will find ourselves living in a full-fledged police state.

[Edited on 6-26-2008 by MagicJigPipe]

len1 - 26-6-2008 at 00:36

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I doubt if current "police state" conditions in the US are any worse than those of many other nations in the world. Do you (len1) feel comfortable discussing/displaying your chemistry hobby to your neighbors? If you do then you are very fortunate, or else I have misconstrued what I've seen posted by Australians.

Of course conditions are not better here, what others have described is perfectly correct. But its imported from the states. This is not a statement of patriotism but of fact. You cant argue with facts no matter if one is upset by the connotations they carry. Our people have in some cases taken in further in their desire to lead the world - thinking this is a trend of the future.

Its not the same evrywhere by the way. I for instance have recently done business with four different enterprises in Germany. The difference from here is like chalk and cheese - I was treated with trust and intelligence. And this given that I was a foreigner in their country and they didnt speek my language well. I guess there's a reason why they made most of the discoveries in this area.

brew - 26-6-2008 at 00:56

I showed a friend - not greatly close - my littly backyard set up and discussed my thoughts on pesticides that are based upon companion planting. The last thing I said to him, was to please dont talk casualy that I am doing what I am doing. I never heard from him for some time, as he assumed - I later found out - that I feared anyone knowing that I was on the brink of discovering a new organic pesticide and this was the reason why I told him "Please dont mention my backyard set-up." as I feared my secret compound may be stolen. I told him that know this was not my motive for asking for some privacy but the fact that if people knew that I was doing chemistry and had distillation equipment, then they would likely think the worst. Sort of funny now I think about it, but it goes to show that people formulate ideas that perhaps are not reality, and treat you accordingly.

Th0r - 26-6-2008 at 11:25

Fair play, my neighbours despise me, and for good reason, some could say. I don't think it would be particularly bright to mention my 'excessive' interest in even more socially unacceptable things such as firearms. And Chemistry?

They're so stupid they would probably think I was making 'teh b0mbzz', whilst not paying any attention to the large percentage of Chemistry I do that is relatively safe and not illegal...

If I was stupid enough to inform the neighbours of my hobby/s I think it wouldn't be long before the Police turned up on my door flinging accusations that I intend to blow up [With the bombz I have been making with Bleach] and destroy my school, or I'm planning a Jihadist Terrorist attrocity.

As for telling anyone about my hobby I only tell those I can trust 100% or those who could be useful in obtaining me items for my hobby and whatnot.

undead_alchemist - 26-6-2008 at 13:51

For where I live, *townhouse complex*. A few people know what I have in the garage, even the strata council knows as I am on the council as well. So far no problems. Well helps that I use the discount from my work to order items to take care of some of the pest problems, example ants.

gregxy - 26-6-2008 at 14:18

In addition to fears of bomb making terrorists and meth
cooks, many people (even reasonable ones) think that
anything chemical is automatically bad, toxic or causes
cancer.

There has been a big fuss in our area about spraying for
moths. I looked up the pesticide they are planning to use
and the LD50 was >5g/kg, the stuff is less toxic than table
salt. I don't particularly want to be sprayed with it, but there
are people in the media making it sound like the end of the
world.

If you read the MSDS you can make anything sound bad.
The media people were concerned that ammoniumphosphate
was being used and it is an eye irritant and had not been
tested to see if it is carcinogenic.

So the best advice is to be on good terms with you neighbors
and keep a low profile.

brew - 26-6-2008 at 14:38

"As for telling anyone about my hobby I only tell those I can trust 100% or those who could be useful in obtaining me items for my hobby and whatnot"

Good point, but at the time I thought I could trust this person and still do as far as opening his mouth goes.
I suppose I have been somewhat loose lipped - if that's a word- because I am not doing anything outrightly illegal. I also have a book that lists all my chem, all my reactions and why I am doing what I am doing. I have also made it known to a respected member of our society, namely an associate, what I am doing and my concerns that if I was raided and the LEO's tried to paint their own picture of what I am up to, and it hit the local papers, then it would some what fuck me up. If this worst case scenario was to occur, then at least I have a record, albeit of my own account, along with a trusted member of our society willing to state that he knew what I was up to, was aware that I was concerned over this issue, and also was aware of my motives for doing this stuff. This may seem perhaps as overkill on the issue, but all the LEO's need is perhaps some history/ evidance of a happy hungry and stuped period in one's teenage years, and that along with one's glassware and a cupboard full of chem - Well your obviously a cook etc,
This most likely wont happen but if it did, I at least want to be able to state(verbally and in writing)what I am up to and why. If you get busted with a shed full of chem and glassware and purely relying on verbal reasoning, then I think this could be somewhat problematic.

MagicJigPipe - 26-6-2008 at 19:45

"That most likely won't happen"

Change that to "there is an ever increasing chance that it will happen".

brew - 26-6-2008 at 22:08

I agree, and I best make sure my actions are as loud as my words. I'd hate to learn the hard way with this issue.

bmc

YT2095 - 27-6-2008 at 03:43

Both my neighbors know what I do, well just one of them now as the other died 2 days ago

as do my friends, I make my mystery of it or hide anything not even from the window cleaner!
I`v had a Lab of sorts since I was 12 years old and I`m 41 now with a child of my own.
there`s nothing illegal in here, or done. And I`m happy to answer anyones questions that care to ask them.

Jor - 27-6-2008 at 07:25

My neighbors are also a bit annoying sometimes. The door of my garage is a few meters from their garden. At summer, they are outside all the time, and they hear al the noice I'm making (running tap water, pump for cooling water, etc.).
They must be thinking, damn what is he doing there. If they ever ask, I won't lie.

MagicJigPipe - 27-6-2008 at 07:56

I normally wouldn't say this, but you should lie.

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there`s nothing illegal in here, or done

Nothing that you consider illegal. I'm not sure about your country but in the US even in the most basic labs authorities can find something illegal or some infraction. Basically, if they want you they will get you. I know that sounds really paranoid but I know from first hand experience that it is true and anyone who doesn't see it should have their vision/hearing/mind checked.

And even if you aren't convicted... Well, you know how the "going to court/defamation/broken, missing glassware/character assassination/humiliation/depletion of funds thing" goes.

With all this tyranny I was surprised about the Supreme Court decision in Washington D.C. the other day.

Mum is the Word

bigbigbeaker - 27-6-2008 at 13:04

When I moved into my neighborhood, all the neighbors warned me about the terrorist who lived across the street. He was also called the mad bomber. It turns out that he worked as a lab tech for the county medical center and sometime brought home chipped glassware. When he moved, everyone was thrilled and felt much safer. Several people said they were just waiting for an excuse to call the police. I know for a fact that Joe never did any home chemistry. He just like the beakers and flasks. At work he dipped test paper into urine mostly. The lesson is this: Never tell a soul about your hobby. It only takes one ignorant person calling the police to destroy your hobby and maybe your life. Make sure nothing can be seen through the windows. Always have an explanation ahead of time just in case. If you own acetone, ether, KMnO4, MEK, toluene, HCL or H2SO4 then you have List II chemicals. A List II chemical is "used in manufacturing a controlled substance in violation of the Act." Google "CFR Sec. 1310.02(a)" to read about them. Now combine the List II possession with a post on this board stating that the Leukart reaction can make meth and you now have a conspiracy. Who wants to sit in the defendants box at a trial hoping that the jury understands that all hobby chemists use H2SO4 in their experimenting? Not me!

woelen - 27-6-2008 at 13:57

Most of you are speaking about the USA situation, but fortunately that is not how it is in many other countries. Yes, there are persons over here (in NL) as well, who are afraid of anything chemical, but my experience is that many people do not think you are a terrorist or a meth cook, but they find it geeky/nerdy. They won't call the police, they just tell you that you should be careful and you see them thinking "this is a real nerd". Especially younger people have that attitude, but this is not specific for home chemistry. It is true for all home science. A person, who is doing mathematics at home is treated in a similar way.

I, however, have told about my hobby to quite a lot of people. Many of my colleagues know about it, and I recently applied for a new job (from a large IT-company to a small more personal company) and in my talks with people from the new company I have told about my home chemistry activities and I have shown them my website. They liked it, and they gave a positive turn to it, thinking that if someone is doing this kind of things, then that must be a really eager person, who also is eager to learn new software paradigms, tools and methods! It actually helped me getting my new job as a software engineer/architect!

So, all the fuzz about hiding all your experiments and keeping your mouth shut like a grave is not how I feel about it.

I do think, that things strongly depend on what kind of chemistry you are doing. The kind of experiments, which are on my website are very representative for the chemistry I do at home. I am steering away from making larger quantities of energetics and I also am steering away from anything which has to do with drugs. This certainly helps making the hobby much more accepted, and I have experienced that my website also has added a lot to the acceptance of my hobby. Even stronger, most people I tell about it, do like it. The best thing is that my former manager (who now has his own IT company) came across my website two years ago. He contacted me about this, and now we have good contact again (we lost that 8 years ago). He also purchased a few tens of chemicals now and is playing around with them with his sons and we visit each other every few months.

I just want to add this story to compensate somewhat for the rather negative things I read in this thread.

I fully agree with YT2095, there is nothing illegal and I do nothing illegal and so I can be open and tell about my hobby.

MagicJigPipe - 27-6-2008 at 17:55

Good. But that's because you don't live in a paranoid, ignorant, freedom/privacy hating nation (US).

For those of us who DO live in the US, UK, Australia etc. it is a much different story. Our secrecy is not superfluous. It is a necessity. It is to ensure survival. Americans act like they live in a communist state (tell on your neighbors no matter what-style). It's as if the fact that we are all Americans means nothing to them. Sell-outs, that's what we are. We'd sell out our neighbors to the cops for a dimebag and a large pizza. "As long as it's not me". That quote just about sums it up, IMO.

I can't even take a walk through the neighborhood while smoking a cigarette without getting the cops called on me. It's true. It happened. Apparently they were worried that I was smoking a "marijuana cigarette". Oh, no! While they sip on their fucking beer and wine. Jackasses.

I've been thinking about moving to a country with better people in it when I get older. People here are just such wasteful, backstabbing mothertruckers.

len1 - 27-6-2008 at 18:26

Its a well and truly different story in Europe if my impressions of what I saw recently are correct. Here we have ads screened on all channels, with a regularity of about 3-4 a week, claiming you can help your country.

Theyre advertising the "National Security Hotline", whose number continuously flashes on the screen to a bakdrop of concerned sounding callers in the background "doing the right thing". Different voices are cutting in and out with the following phrases, saying - "I saw something unusual the other day", "they were planning something", "it didnt look quite right".

Now think if your neighbours, most of whom never did chemistry at school" saw you through an open door in your garage doing a distilation, would that qualify to them as "I saw something unusual", or "it didnt look quite right", which the ads are summoning people to report?

The ad ends with "the safety of your contry depends on you" and an encouraging note "- and you CAN remain anonymous", with the can emphasized. So if your neighbour doesnt like you its an open invitation. How do they think the gulags started?

This is one example of why my use of the phrase 'Police State' is not an exaggeration. Of course you an have different levels of 'Police State' as someone wrote, just as there are different levels of Communism. Im am not yet living in a fully-fledged 'Police State'. But these are certainly symptoms of the beginnings of one.

[Edited on 28-6-2008 by len1]

MagicJigPipe - 27-6-2008 at 20:16

I think the old rule of the right of the accused to "confront/see" the accuser would take care of a lot of those "I'm calling in just because I don't like him because he has a bigger boat/hotter wife than me" calls.

I completely agree with you though, len1. It's as if people have forgotten history and wish or don't care if they go through the same crap over and over again.

Magpie - 27-6-2008 at 20:31

Len, I find what you said extremely disturbing. Thankfully, I have seen nothing like that in the US.

len1 - 27-6-2008 at 21:19

Magpie, from what you said - that these ads are not screening in the US - I was reminded of an old adage here - when the US sneezes, Australia catches a cold. Normally its meant to apply economically, that is, if the US has a mild economic downturn, we have a recession. But it seems to apply in the political sense as well.

MagicJigPipe, I absolutely agree. You have a right to see who is accusing you - its essential in establishing if theres an ulterior motive. I thought its a pillar of our democracy. Its astounding at how easily people can be pursuaded to trample on those pillars.

Heres a link to the ad on youtube. Its been on about 3 years now. (It seems there are slightly different versions of this ad, Im sure the one screening here has the word CAN at the end emphasized (in this clip it isnt), plus slightly different mixtures of the hotch-potch you hear).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x9vXEaGsL8

[Edited on 28-6-2008 by len1]

MagicJigPipe - 28-6-2008 at 08:21

Downloading documents from suspicious websites? Think about it. They're telling your ignorant neighbors to make a judgment on what is a suspicious. How would they know that anyway? Are they encouraging people to look through other's computers? Or telling people to turn in members of their family or household? This is pathetic.

This reminds me of the book 1984 where the people were encouraged and brainwashed into ratting out their friends and family when they did something suspicious or "unpatriotic" or said something bad about the government. Because, after all, that is "suspicious" nowadays, right?

[Edited on 6-28-2008 by MagicJigPipe]

Magpie - 28-6-2008 at 08:40

Apparently governments in Great Britain have a similar mindset as that of Australia:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LomNIyf1oA&NR=1

I have seen nothing like this in the US - not that our government wouldn't like to do same, I imagine. I'm just hoping that anticipation of public outrage is preventing it.

MagicJigPipe - 28-6-2008 at 08:48

I saw that one, too.

Anticipation of public outrage? Do you really think the average American would understand the implications and if they did would they care as long as they still have their yachts and SUVs? I don't think, so. I'm pretty sure that's not one of the reasons they haven't done it.

There is the meth hotline and nobody said anything about that. And please don't try to say it's different because "drugs are bad". It's the same thing with the same implications and same consequences.

Magpie - 28-6-2008 at 08:59

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Do you really think the average American would understand the implications and if they did would they care as long as they still have their yachts and SUVs?

No, unfortunately. But there is a significant protest about eroding freedoms going on in the editorial pages of newspapers. At least in the two that I read.

MagicJigPipe - 28-6-2008 at 09:22

Yes, I know what you're talking about. Unfortunately, that seems to be the 1% of Americans that care enough and are intelligent enough to notice and write about it. Remember, this forum and newspapers is not a broad cross-section of the population. I think the people who write on a daily basis are in the more intelligent percentile. Also, unfortunately I think that percentage is quite low.

The_Davster - 28-6-2008 at 09:53

Editorial comments or actually political action?

I have seen in Canada:
report suspicious behavior on busses, trains, etc
an editorial in the newspaper stating "people should be unable to fight trafic tickets, their bank info whould be directly tied to the gov and withdrawls made for infractions"
editorials on "why free speech should be limited"
editorial on "why the press acts as a tool of public opinion"- a defence of it, not a rejection
I could think of more examples, but Its sad, and I am on vacation.
IMO the state of freedoms is going to get alot worse before it gets better.

MagicJigPipe - 28-6-2008 at 10:11

It seems as if history really does repeat itself. Remember, Rome was a republic before it was an empire. I'm pretty sure in 200BC very few average Romans would think their descendents would be living in a virtual dictatorship.

I know it's cliche to compare the US to Rome, but you can't ignore the similarities. I mean our system of government is based almost entirely on Greco-Roman law.

Magpie - 28-6-2008 at 10:22

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Editorial comments or actually political action?

Just comments, no action. The comments come both from local "letters to the editor" and the more thorough complaints from editors of national newspapers.

Davster I would have to also place Canada in the ranks of those governments/people more openly Draconian than what I have seen in the US.

As poor as many of our high school students do in their government and history classes, there is, I believe, still a strong residual respect for individual rights, the Bill of Rights, etc, in the US. Library censorship and keeping track of what books people check out are highly frowned upon here. That Australian TV pitch concerning people downloading suspicious information from the internet I found particularly repulsive.

len1 - 28-6-2008 at 17:21

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Downloading documents from suspicious websites? Think about it. They're telling your ignorant neighbors to make a judgment on what is a suspicious. How would they know that anyway? Are they encouraging people to look through other's computers? Or telling people to turn in members of their family or household? This is pathetic.

Yes I stopped to think about that one myself. Maybe they mean spy on what sites your mates have on their screens at work. What is a suspicious web site? Does one with instructions on how to make bombs, drugs, violent poisons, expressing non-main-stream opinion qualify? What about the very name 'sciencemadness' that in itself is suspicious. So accessing this site from work in Aus is a ligit reason to be reported according to our ad.

The british ad does not contain so many nasty phrases to my taste - the one exception is the bit where she lifts the venitian blind, thats a clear signal - spy on your neighbours. Why not check out and see what they have in their garages - after all they are unlikely to be making bombs right outside you window? Plus they cant expect the general public to know the difference between a bomb-making terrorist setup, and just a home chemistry lab. So the take home message is home chemistry must be reported.

Get better? Human history has shown that only happens after a major calamity - so I wont expect it anytime soon.

[Edited on 29-6-2008 by len1]

Skrinkle - 1-7-2008 at 11:55

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Originally posted by MagicJigPipe
The US is much worse in some ways. I get the feeling that neighbors/other people seem to think they know what's best for everyone else here (more so than in other societies).

This doesn't really count as a "neighbor incident", but one time my landlord "came a'knockin'" so I invited him in (big mistake). I had a distillation setup stored in the second bedroom which served as a huge storage closet. I made the stupid mistake of showing it to him and explaining what I do...

About a week later my girlfriend called me while I was at work to tell me that someone had broken into the house and all of my glassware had been smashed. There was an eviction notice on the door and a text message on my phone calling me a "meth cook". I also discovered a bag full of empty iodine tincture bottles hidden in a dresser drawer in that same room (it wasn't mine). The cops never busted down my door but I know they were watching me as I packed. I even reported the break-in to the cops and showed them the baggy of tinctures... nothing came of it.

So, because of someone elses ignorance and hysteria and the indifference of the police I lost my apartment.

I can't believe I haven't told this story on this forum yet... Wait, I think I told half of it...

I'm telling you guys, we must rise up and put down this bullshit (this does not necessarily mean violence). If we (the non-ignorant American people) don't we will find ourselves living in a full-fledged police state.

[Edited on 6-26-2008 by MagicJigPipe]

I agree completely, the U.S. is much worse about it than other countries. As much as i love my native country, it often frustrates me with the ignorance of it's inhabitants. Also, I'm not unusually violent but I would try to find a way to take revenge on whoever smashed your lab if you know for sure who it is. Perhaps some good old fashioned non-chemical tire iron therapy?

[Edited on 1-7-2008 by Skrinkle]

[Edited on 1-7-2008 by Skrinkle]

MagicJigPipe - 1-7-2008 at 15:02

Haha! Yeah, I seriously thought about it for a while afterwards. I knew where he lived. In fact, we were on pretty good terms until that day.

I ultimately decided against it.

It was very tempting though.

IMO, the guy getting his ass kicked would be more humane and better justice than him going to jail or getting fines. IMO, there is nothing wrong with vigilante justice ONLY when the legal system fails.

However, it's over with now. And I no longer get enraged when I think about it.

shadow - 12-7-2008 at 16:42

JigPipe has a legit paranoia, having bullshit happened to him.

I'm just about at the same point now after reading this forum and many other subjects of this website.
Some guy name Soxlet sworn that a person just requesting merchandise from Spectrum that didn't have the qualifications to procure chemicals from them would be hunted down like a dog.

Well, after I placed my order, I decided to cancel, I cleaned my computers, checked my inventory for "bad" chems, and cancelled a few procedures. Wasn't making anything bad, and I hate explosives after a bad event 20 years ago.

Damn it!!! I still have some HCl and H2SO4, some fuse, maybe a little ether, a drop or two.

If they come to my house, they'll more that likely take the computers, and see the link to this website in my favorites, which automatically signs me in.

They'll be able to search for any posts. Damn it!!! I couldn't erase that compromising reply on evil lurkers post when I erased all the others. Effin' software.

I can't even talk to my wife about this. I told her I'm making fuel additives for my truck. At least that's where all the leftovers go.

She thinks I'm a teetotaler. Since I refined that vodka and sampled it, I guess that's all over.

Damn hobby!!!

If I get a little more worried, I'm going to delete this post, IF I CAN!!!

MagicJigPipe - 15-7-2008 at 19:08

I did the same thing except it was over at WetDreams. I had about 50 or so posts over there. I went through and deleted them all and had my account deleted. I will certainly never go back. Not only is it not a good forum, IMO but it's just too risky to post over there.

I just recently sorted through my thousands of pages of chemistry related printouts. I took out anything that referenced any kind of explosive/drug related chemistry and burned it. I also regularly delete my history and various things like that from my HD. It doesn't take much effort and it could save your life in the future.

Considering the times we live in I don't think this is paranoia. This is just being cautious.

roamingnome - 15-7-2008 at 20:31

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I also regularly delete my history and various things like that from my HD. It doesn't take much effort and it could save your life in the future.

what you dont have the mission impossible melting hard drive yet!!!!

the anonymous tip will bring down many

MagicJigPipe - 19-7-2008 at 18:42

I actually thought about doing that. It shouldn't be too difficult. Just surround the HD with thermite and some kind of ignition powder/system that can be initiated with a switch. I'm seriously contemplating doing something like that with all of my chemistry files just for the fun of it. Projects like that are very interesting.

I wonder if some sort of electromagnetic device would be more efficient? Probably not...

What was that movie that I saw something similar to that in? Was it the X-Files?

roamingnome - 19-7-2008 at 19:51

the EM pulse is slick and more elusive then slag making

but the thermite makes a better statement of freedom....

[Edited on 20-7-2008 by roamingnome]