By the way, Sauron, I'm surprised you even mentioned the Armenian genocide. You are the only other person I have seen so far that has even heard of
it. Why is it that there seems to be a lack of printed information (way less than other points in history) on the subject? It's strange. In fact, I
was never taught about it in school. Not once was it even mentioned that I remember.
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On that:
http://www.armenian-genocide.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial_of_the_Armenian_Genocide
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide
On topic: two quotes:
Pulverulescent
"Getting back to KN03, it seems meth-related material on one of their computers is the only evidence of intent LE has but even that's still fairly
flimsy evidence."
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Assume RP is legal where they are, i.e. the location of their computer containing this data. In England I believe RP is legal to possess IIRC. The
crime they are charged with is in Arizona. Therefore the only evidence against them would also have to be in the US. I do not see where Arizona would
have the authority to obtain or use evidence on their computer in England where they have committed no crime. Just because they had an interest in how
things are made on their computer there in England does not prove they conspired to help a customer they do not know in the US make something illegal
here. For all anyone knows the customer may have wanted to experiment with making phosphides of semiconducter related elements such as germanium*.
It would seem this point would be blatantly obvious to even an idiot for a lawyer defending them here. If I am wrong about this it is very ominous for
anyone having an interest in real science whether hobby or professional. Especially disconcerting is the thought that US authorities would have the
right to obtain and use such evidence from one country in another. If so this is a failing on the part of English law. Possibly a minor point but it
relates to the next quote.
*I mention this since I have desired to experiment with phosphorus to make exotic phosphides over the years wanting to invent better laser materials
but have never done so due to the laws here relating to phosphorus in whatever form. In effect so many laws like this over the years have resulted in
many ideas not being pursued by myself. Sure if I were LE I would most likely assume their intent and this thought has long kept me from buying unique
hard to find items from companies whos list appeared to be too drug related including from the KNO3 under discussion in this thread.
I have tried to be "street-wise", not wanting to end up on a list somewhere under suspicion for doing anything they would imply and try to charge me
with even though I have never made drugs nor would I ever. This however seems to be of no use as a defense for people with legitimate interest in the
hobby of chemistry. I have no doubt I could look in the house of every person in law enforcement and find two or more items which they have used to
convict people for making drugs when they found similar things in someone else's home. Possibly they are often correct in their assumptions but this
does not prove every soul playing with chemistry has criminal intent.
I have no doubt however in this day and age they would still rather jail the entire human race than allow the chance to exist that they might be a
criminal no matter what the real reason someone had for possessing anything they have seen used somewhere else for a crime. This seems to be the
current mindset we have to live with if we are to pursue science outside of some government approved lab.
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MagicJigPipe
"I sure hope possession of information related to the synthesis of drugs that can be illegal isn't enough to prove intent. If so, I'd be screwed."
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Everything I have looked at on this subject indicates they do use this. If you have the recipe and even one precursor they can and do use this to
convict many times every day in America. If it were up to me I would take all the meth cooks to a deserted island and nuke it. Just how I feel about
it. However like most with a chemistry interest I have copied information from drugs to explosives over the years for the sole purpose of knowing all
things related to chemistry and many other sciences. However if I have chemicals for many reasons for which my intent was legitimate I do not also
keep these old archives in the same location. Reading the posts I quoted now I wonder if this does me any good. If I left an old Mr Natural comic from
the late 60's in England and they find NaOH in my lab here do I now have to fear this will be used to convict me when I have never commited a crime?
Has it gone this badly for amateur chemistry in America?
FYI: "Mr Natural comic" a really funny comic book sold in head shops around 40 years ago which usually had recipes for making hash and other various
and sundry items here and there in the issues which were printed.
Somehow I ended up stuck inside my first quote but what the hell too brain taxing to figure out how to get out.
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