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Ramiel
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Enforcing basic rules.
Recently, a few threads and specific posts in whimsy (and possibly elsewhere) have prompted a harder line to be taken with those people who refuse to
respect the rules of this forum. Most members here (and all of the offending parties) are knowledgeable posters and valuable members of this science
forum, but recently, defending passionate beliefs has lead to a couple of blatant breaches of rules. I think it's pretty basic to say that excessive
swearing, name calling, bullying or degrading personal attacks are never necessary or deserved. Posts or topics will not be deleted, discussions are
not banned or censored! but unacceptable parts of the posts are going to be snipped in future.
Remember, you're professional amateur chemists... make it a privilege for others to post here too. 
Thanks,
- Ramiel
Caveat Orator
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Sauron
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A member just replied to one of my posts in the Sildenafil thread with the single line:
"Who is this fucking moron?"
I do not believe that is acceptable forum behavior, and I believe it is precisely the sort of blatant breach of the rules you are talking about.
The poster was (edited by Sauron).
[Edited on 14-1-2007 by Sauron]
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chromium
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I was quite disapointed when i saw the effect of political threads in whimsy forum that mostly criticised USA politics - not at all related to
chemistry. As a result we lost at least one valuable member.
I am very critical on USA politics myself but chemistry forum is not place to discus such things. It lowers quality of this forum and it is absolutely
useless.
It might be of some use when you go to talk with president or congresmen but its no good if it just makes talanted chemists to quarrel with each other
instead of writing valuable posts about science.
To be honest i do not understand why we need Whimsy forum at all.
[Edited on 13-1-2007 by chromium]
When all think alike, then no one is thinking. - Walter Lippmann
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BromicAcid
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Chromium, I usually don't use the whimsy form myself, the exception being for chemistry related whimsy (Posts about Mad Scientists, Chemistry Stories,
Hide and Seek of Chemicals in the lab and such) however without it the conversational topics are still somewhat inevitable and people will try to talk
about these topics in other forums I think. Whimsy helps segregate these topics and besides a number of our members heavily enjoy whimsy, go sort the
member list by post count and look at some of our top posters to see what forums they are most active in for instance.
Anyway, Sauron, you're just coming off as a tattle-tale. This post is apparently an attempt to address these matters without pointing fingers, take
the high road on this one.
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Sauron
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The guy broke the very basic rule that the forum staffer who started this thread referred to. I reported the infraction, his remark was deleted. The
system worked.
Tattle tale, I hardly think so. Should I have sunk to his level and engaged in a pissing contest with him? No.
I posted here after reporting the matter using the NOTIFY button, which is what it is for nicht wahr?
And what else is this thread for?
It was only afterwards that the matter was dealt with. I regard the matter as closed. The gentleman and I have swapped perfectly courteous posts since
then, no hard feelings on my part.
But I see no need to go edit posts here and pretend it never happened. It happened. Let's move on.
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chromium
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BromicAcid, i understand that whimsy probably helps to keep science forums clear of useless stuff but in my opinion the fact that some members want it
much is not good reason for its existence. If moderators thought it acceptable we could make forum about cooking recipies or movies or even about
pornography - and its quite probable that it gets popular among some members (including me, maybe).
It seems to me that those members who have many posts in whimsy are exactly those who write quite a lot of valuable posts BUT they also happen to
insult others more often than those who ignore whimsy. Some usefull threads are also derailed by them and "basic rules" are usally not enforced if
poster has made lot of valuable posts beforehand.
In fact i do not know how these problems could be solved. Moderators are not Gods, they have lot of important work that gets done and this forum runs
quite well. I am not quite sure if without whimsy things would be better.
Still i think it makes sense to write my thoughts about it.
[Edited on 13-1-2007 by chromium]
When all think alike, then no one is thinking. - Walter Lippmann
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Nicodem
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Sauron, you have made 312 posts in a single month since you registered. Do you have any idea of how many personal insults an average member on this
board suffers in reply to any of his first 312 posts? Obviously not! Well, it is a lot of insults. But I don't remember anybody so keen in pointing
fingers publicly as much as you do. I find it perfectly reasonable if you get 1 insult per 312 posts and I'm surprised it was only that much given the
several annoying posts you have made (which is also perfectly OK, since the majority of you posts are informative). But then you also opened a thread
where you wished to discuss issues related to some personal communication you had with certain member(s), which is a bit strange and unpleasant to
read to say the least. You are making this attitude a habit and I don't like such habits.
PS: Check again. The insult was edited and removed by Sandmeyer himself, not by any moderator as you seem to believe.
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Sauron
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Was it or was it not a "blatant violation of basic forum rules" per the first post in this thread?
It was uncalled for.
I have never insulted Sandmeyer. I have never PMd him nor has he PMd me.
I really can't help what you find annoying, that is up to you. As long as no violation of forum rules was involved, I really don't see what point
there is in discussing it here.
Nor does it matter to me if () removed the insult himself, or if a moderator did it. What possible difference should that make to me?
I've moved on and so has he.
There's an end to it as far as I am concerned. I do not understand your concern. BTW what difference does it make how many posts I have made in a
month? Is trhere a rule or restriction or quota? The point ought to be whether or not my posts have mainly been constructive, on topic and of
interest to at least somebody else. I've been nusily uploading com-chem software to the MadHatter site. At the moment that seems like it is mostly a
dialogue with Polverone, but there are indications others are interested in this stuff as well. I've been into it about 10 years on and off.
As to the other ... End of story.
[Edited on 14-1-2007 by Sauron]
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vulture
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I certainly hope so, now that this matter has already spilled into another thread, which aim was in fact to avoid this sort of stuff!
I am not handing out anymore babyshampoo.
One shouldn't accept or resort to the mutilation of science to appease the mentally impaired.
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Nicodem
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Sauron, I already said that your posting mania is no problem to me as many posts contain some useful information. Sandmeyer's reply obviously was
unethical and in violation of the forum rules, but as far as I could follow it was more like an impulsive deed that he later repudiated and
apologized. Perhaps even he himself does not know what exactly was it in your post that he disliked so much. This happens all the time in forums like
this. I know that feeling as I often get an impulse to say directly that something is complete bullshit or something offensive like that but I rarely
do it simply because later I would regret it. You can never know exactly what personal trouble makes somebody write what he writes. It could be just
honest ignorance, trolling attitude or plain intentional misinformation. On issues outside the real of science I don't really care what is said and
written.
What I find annoying in your posting is that you find such normal things that happen all the time in any community, real or internet based, so
exceptional as to write complains about it in Forum Matters even though it happened to you once in over 300 posts. It happened to me several more
times in relation to my posting number (though I might have been more arrogant and deserved it more, but nevertheless…). It is exactly such attitude
that culminates in threads like "What Complete BS is this?" It costs me nothing but the 1 minute for checking the thread and finding it unnecessary
and a waste of time, but please rather deal with personal issues on personal level. Vulture depicted the problem perfectly with his babyshampoo
analogy.
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Sauron
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Nicodem, I have removed all references in my posts to the identity of the member. Now the only person naming him is you, in two posts. You may want to
scrub those out of a similar concern for his privacy. I am told that there is an "unspoken forum law" about this, of which I of course being new
around here was blissfully ignorant till initiated.
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chemoleo
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Oh Christ, relax, will ya? Noone really cares!
This isn't a grand supreme court hearing. Neither is this forum heavily regimented.
Ever heard of U2U to discuss personal matters, instead of endlessly going on about it in threads? Another unspoken forum rule. Particularly if it is
about petty matters such as the above.
Please no more posts here unless there is a *real* emergency.
Now back to regular business!
Never Stop to Begin, and Never Begin to Stop...
Tolerance is good. But not with the intolerant! (Wilhelm Busch)
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FANTOMAS
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Not "a real emergency",but i wish to ask if the forum is STRICTLY for chemistry ,or is there space for other
"scientific" talks?
[Edited on 24-1-2007 by FANTOMAS]
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Nicodem
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I was wandering if there is any particular reason why Gil is allowed to continuously reregister and continue with its trolling? It seems like he
nearly took over the board with his madness.
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Polverone
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There's no way of disallowing it. He is using multiple computers or proxies, so IP banning doesn't work. He has the patience to keep re-registering
every time we delete one of his accounts.
PGP Key and corresponding e-mail address
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Sauron
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Then I guess the best thing to do is ignore his posts/threads, never respond to them, and let the moderators dump them into Detritus where they
belong.
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quicksilver
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Nicodem
I was wandering if there is any particular reason why Gil is allowed to continuously reregister and continue with its trolling? It seems like he
nearly took over the board with his madness. |
Out of curiousity, what were some of the various names? I think that person used only two.
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Ozone
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Only 2? Whoo, no! Let's see, I've been scribing suspects as they appear:
1. gil
2. jeanbergian
3. adushadu
4. etabeta
5. prica
6. turkilmazz
7. paperoga
8. prandincubakiloduccluge (or somesuch)
9. irishallah
10. alfonsho
11. la dresdernornas
12. banned
13. guido_Laurespa
14. TheClash
15. 29Settembre
And who knows what else. My apologies in advance for anyone named here who is legitimate. All of these were as Sauron described with, "nocopro
impotent...", etc. It was actually sort of funny at first.
Best,
O3
I suppose I'll update this as we go on.
[Edited on 11-2-2007 by Ozone]
-Anyone who never made a mistake never tried anything new.
--Albert Einstein
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Fleaker
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What a waste of his and our time to do such nonsense.
Neither flask nor beaker.
"Kid, you don't even know just what you don't know. "
--The Dark Lord Sauron
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Fleaker
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I love how he registered 5+ accounts today.
Definitely right Sauron, just adding fuel to the fire by us discussing it.
[Edited on 12-2-2007 by Fleaker]
Neither flask nor beaker.
"Kid, you don't even know just what you don't know. "
--The Dark Lord Sauron
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Sauron
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The more we talk abut the troll the longer he will assault the forum. I suggest we STOP talking about him here and now. The only appropriate response
to the appearance of one of his posts any time under any identity he creates is REPORT and let the Moderators do their job and trash his bullshit.
He wants attention. Deny it to him.
My guess is he's a lush who binges on weekends. That's when it seems he strikes.
Don't engage and don't natter on about him in this thread or anywhere else, or you will just perpetuate his presence. IGNORE him, and REPORT him.
And those are my final public remarks on the subject, come what may.
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Rosco Bodine
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8-click recovery transformation for poo flingers
In the forum FAQ's , Polverone wrote concerning forum behavior "Please resist the urge to devolve into a feces-hurling Internet Monkey ..."
For any of us who may need to re-evolve ,
the following visual aid may be useful .
After clicking on the link below , a move of the cursor near to
the flashing "Z" which first appears center page will be observed to initialize self-aquiring karma alignment with cyberspace , and following that
acquisition of karma lock ,
simply click 7 more times in place to complete the recovery process .
http://www.zoltron.com/ssi/flash/banner-home.swf
Some users report fewer repeat treatments are needed , if
while the 7 clicks to recovery are being made , an incantation is said aloud , that famous Schwarzenegger Terminator 3 quote " Talk to the hand " .
( File attached )
The re-evolutionary transformation should leave the former cursor restored to an upright straight arrow , although tilted decidedly a little to the
left , but hey .....nothing's perfect 
An untested , but different possibly effective incantation is that Judy Garland quote from The Wizard of Oz . While clicking in place , say quietly
and reverently ....
"There's no place like home " .
[Edited on 5-5-2007 by Rosco Bodine]
Attachment: hand.wav (5kB)
This file has been downloaded 800 times
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Organikum
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Wow Rosco, I will never understand how your political views match with the fact that you are obviously pretty stoned.
Thats not negative. I like you stoned better! 
love & peace
/ORG
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Sauron
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Balderdash.
Perhaps @Rosco has been imbibing of demon rum
But he doesn't sdtrike me as the stoner type.
On the other hand neither did Rush Limbaugh, but I don't want to compare our #Rosco to a carboard caricature conservative radio personality like el
Rusho.
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Rosco Bodine
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Ha! Not anymore ...However .... In the late nineteen sixties and through much of the seventies .....old Rosco spent a bit of time in the greatly and
*permanetly*
altered states of america In fact it was somewhere around that time , that
time itself sort of became an irrelevant abstract , conceptually speaking of course .
BTW , I couldn't recommend this sort of experimentation
which would leave many never quite the same ....
as if you aren't happy with the result , it would be inconvenient that it is quite irreversible .
You might get the picture on about track 5 at the following link
http://music.downroll.com/player/?artist=The+Moody+Blues&...
There's a better look at the album cover art here
http://www.webwriter.f2s.com/moody/lyrics/albumart.htm#isotl...
And an early video for Legend of a Mind
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_TbovyVOzs
P.S. These old veteran cosmic rockers are still touring ,
and giving live performance concerts *forty* years later
to sellout crowds
Here's what they look like now .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y46jE6nL-y0&mode=related&...
[Edited on 15-6-2007 by Rosco Bodine]
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