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[*] posted on 31-7-2015 at 09:28
Activated Carbon and Charcoal (AC)


The 'Activated' word was intriguing, which is why any research was done at all.

What does it Mean ? Why is Activated Carbon (AC) different to plain Carbon ?

There are many references to AC yet very few regarding what the 'Activation' process actually is.

Essentially it means some form of Carbon (usually Charcoal) that has been altered by a process that vastly increases the surface area of the material.

AC can have a surface area of an incredible 1500m<sup>2</sup> per gramme !
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Activated_carbon

Common methods of Activation are a steam process, and more easily achieveable in a home lab, treatment with a CaCl2 solution.

Following the activation process, the AC carbon can be treated with other chemicals to coat this huge surface area with reagents that will specifically absorb, adsorb or react with the thing you wish the carbon to be 'active' with.

For example, AC can be impregnated with Sulphur to make it an effective filter for Mercury Vapour :-
www.temple.edu/borguet/Publication/Documents/pdf_files/2006-...

For all Activated Carbons, the standard measure is called the Iodine Number (IN).

The Iodine Number can be titrated using the following procedure :-

http://www.mazraehgroup.webs.com/Downloads/ASTM%20D4607-94%2...
(thanks to deltaH for finding that)

Currently i've managed to Buy the reagents, and make the sodium thiosulphate and iodine solutions.

The ASTM source says to wait four days before standardising the thiosulphate solution and this is day 1.

The test subjects are 4 samples that prepared from hardwood charcoal, and a Chinese filter material that was bought as 'Activated Carbon Filter'.

If anyone has the reagents and could perhaps perform the ASTM procedure to dermine the IN of any activated carbon or charcoal they have handy, that'd be great.

In 4 days, these home made samples will get tested and results posted.




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[*] posted on 31-7-2015 at 11:13


I'm really looking forward to your results aga, you are certainly being very thorough!



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[*] posted on 31-7-2015 at 11:23


What method did you use for making the activated carbon foam?
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[*] posted on 31-7-2015 at 11:30


What foam ?

I've made activated carbon/charcoal from hardwood charcoal in 3 different ways.

The material is a powder, not a foam.

One sample will be the untreated carbon/charcoal, a 5th sample is some AC filter material off ebay.

If the testing procedure works out OK, i'll try other 'activation' processes and test the results of those too.

Edit :

The samples that i made were produced by treating different grain sizes with CaCl2 as that seemed easiest.

Without a proven testing protocol it seemed silly to try other processes, such as steam, heat treatment, aerofoams etc.


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[*] posted on 31-7-2015 at 12:06


I'm curious about the results!

When I was a child I read in a biology textbook how to make activated charcoal. The process was intriguing but never tried since then. Maybe now, that I know how to compare results I'll give it a go in the winter.

Why winter?
Besides that I'm fairly busy these days the process calls for dry, crushed (few mm particles) walnut husks. These should be impregnated (boiled in) with ZnCl2, then dried, then heated (dry distilled), then thoroughly washed to remove the ZnCl2 remains.
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[*] posted on 31-7-2015 at 14:19


ZnCl2 is cited as an 'activation' agent for carbon, so that probably works.

The biggest thing was to find a way to properly Test the AC.

Thanks again to deltaH for finding a freeeeeee version of the ASTM test protocol.

This video is one of the few that 'just' makes activated charcoal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lN0fT1Uvcsw
Endure the garbage parts, if you can ...

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[Edited on 31-7-2015 by aga]




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[*] posted on 31-7-2015 at 23:18


I'm a bit confused about when/how activation is taking place in that clip. Does it occur in his final oven baking step in 30min? Surely not the 24h room temperature soak :o If so, I am confused why he washes the CaCl2 out before baking it, if it's not activated by then, then most of it will wash out. Maybe the residual is enough to activate, maybe not. Eitherway, since there's no reference provided by the demonstrator there, nor test of the resultant carbon, I am not reassured that this would work.



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[*] posted on 3-8-2015 at 01:08


I have a huge carbon scrubber that I used for about a year and was wondering if the activated carbon in it could be useful. The scrubber was not used to filter water. It was used to reduce smell, so could it still be a good source, or being used to filter air could have decreased its uses? Thanks, I just hate to throw out twenty pounds of activated carbon if it can be used as is or cleaned some how.
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[*] posted on 3-8-2015 at 03:28


Take a sample and subject it to a jet of steam and then oven dry.

I would then test it for its intended purpose.

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[*] posted on 9-8-2015 at 07:46
Some Experimentation


The principle is that the adsorbtion properties of a sample of Activated Charcoal can be determined by measuring how many mg of iodine it can adsorb per 1g.

This is called the Iodine Number (I.N.), or Iodine Value commonly quoted by sellers. e.g. http://www.suneetacarbons.com/products

In the following experiment parts of the ASTM D4607-94 protocol are used to quantify the I.N. for 5 samples of charcoal subjected to different processes.

30g of shop-bought hardwood charcoal was ground to a rough powder as the feedstock

2g of the feedstock was added to pots A and B.
The feedstock was further ground down and 2g of this material was added to pot C.
This finer material was sieved though a 90um filter and 2g of this very fine material was added to pot D

A solution was made with 2.52g of CaCl2 and the weight brought up to 10.5g with distilled water.

This solution was distributed between pots B, C and D, then mixed with a glass rod to make a paste.
Each pot was then sealed, then left to stand for 24hrs.

Each sample was filtered and washed 3 times with 30ml of water in a vacuum filtration setup, then left to dry on the filter paper.

A commercial AC filter pad was obtained for comparison.
It was impossible to extract the AC from the pad fibres, so ~2g of pad was cut into small pieces to create sample E.

All were then transferred to individual aluminium containers and weighed before being put into an oven set to 150 C for 3 hours along with a container of CaCl2 to act as a drying agent.

All samples were also weighed on exiting the oven to determine water content. This failed as there was some spillage, and the range of differences was only 0.05g which would easily be operator error.

Previously 5 solutions were made according to the ASTM document :-
HCl solution 5 w%

Sodium Thiosulphate 0.1 N
(24.82g sodium thiosulphate + 0.10g sodium carbonate)

Standard Iodine Solution 0.1 N
(12.70g iodine+ 19.10g potassium iodide in 1 litre)

Potassium Iodate Solution 0.1 N
(1.78g potassium iodate in 500ml)

Starch Indicator Solution

The Sodium Thiosulphate solution was standardised by adding 25.0ml of the Potassium Iodate solution to a flask with 2.00g KI and 5.0ml of conc HCl, then titrating with the Sodium Thiosulphate with the Starch as indicator.

The average of 3 titrations was 0.1018 N (N1)

The Iodine Solution was standardised by titrating 25.0ml with the thiosulphate.

The average of 3 titrations gave 0.0969 N (N2)

According the the ASTM protocol these values are too far out for those solutions to be used, however they are close enough for this amateur experiment.

Next all samples were tested in the following way :-

Tare a conical flask or beaker.
Add the sample, record the Weight (M)
Add 10ml (H) of 5% HCl. Swirl to wet the sample.
Boil for 30 seconds. Allow to cool.
Add 75ml (I) of Iodine solution. Shake for 30 seconds.
Immediately gravity filter.
Rinse a 25ml pipette with some filtrate, discard rinsings.
Transfer 25.0ml (F) of filtrate to a fresh flask.
Titrate with the Sodium Thiosulphate solution & Starch.
Record burette reading (S)

The Iodine Number (or mg I/g) is given by :

[(12693 N2)-(DF)(126.93 N1)(S)]/M

where DF is (I + H)/F

The results were :-

A 263 (rough, raw)
B 226 (rough, treated)
C 357 (ground, treated)
D 451 (< 90um grain size, treated)
E 341 (commercial filter pad material)

The results indicate that the grain size is a major factor in the activity of charcoal, and that 'activation' by CaCl2 at RT is likely to be an entirely bogus claim.

Given that the majority of the commercial filter material's weigh was the support fibres, it is likely that the AC used would give a significantly higher I.N. if just the carbon were tested.

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[*] posted on 9-8-2015 at 08:04


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According the the ASTM protocol these values are too far out for those solutions to be used, however they are close enough for this amateur experiment.


Are you sure it says that? Does it mention tolerances for the 0.1 N normalities? 0.1018 N and 0.0969 N are close enough to 01 N for almost any purpose, IMO. The point of standardisation is to account for discrepancies between nominal and actual normalities anyway.

Interesting you found no effect of the CaCl2 treatment: I can't really see how that is supposed to affect the IN to begin with...




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[*] posted on 9-8-2015 at 09:05


The document actually says that the Iodine solution must be 0.100 N +/- 0.001, not that the thiosulphate must be too.

I guess it can be done to that accuracy if you have an analytical balance down to 1mg, which i don't.

Amazing that some AC must be just finely ground charcoal with an IN of 500 - merely 2x the rating for plain carbon.

Now that the bulls**t CaCl2 yootoob thing is disproven, i'll have a go at baking and steaming to see what they do to the carbon - hopefully
bash it all the way up to 1000 and beyond.

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[*] posted on 9-8-2015 at 09:29


Quote: Originally posted by aga  
ZnCl2 is cited as an 'activation' agent for carbon, so that probably works.


It does. All kinds of waste materials have been used. I still have a years old jar of pistachio shells black from ZnCl2/HCl awaiting heating. I don't remember the right temperature but it's not low, and an inert atmosphere is needed, and there are of course fumes. Heating in sand was tried with mixed results. If you ever want pink sand, this is the way to go.




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[*] posted on 9-8-2015 at 10:04


Quote: Originally posted by S.C. Wack  
I still have a years old jar of pistachio shells black from ZnCl2/HCl awaiting heating.

Would you care to elaborate ?




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[*] posted on 9-8-2015 at 13:10


aga:

You could also compare to Norit, very OTC:

http://www.drugs.com/uk/norit-200mg-leaflet.html




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[*] posted on 9-8-2015 at 13:21


Cheers Bloggers.

I think they sell those here as well.

Next step is to actually Activate some Carbon.

Buckyballs and electrozapping or High Heat and Steam or Acid ?

Decisions Decisions ...




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[*] posted on 9-8-2015 at 15:36


Quote: Originally posted by aga  
Would you care to elaborate ?


After an ammonia soak next, this is the next lutefisk. This hitherto untapped resource has the potential to feed nearly a quarter of those who are starving due to resources being diverted to pistachio plantations.

Or, I'm waiting until I get a vacuum retort before drilling a hole in my box furnace for it. I can't do strange things in the back yard, I can't even be outside more than 15 seconds anymore before someone is staring at me like I'm TV for as long as I'm outside. If zinc is dissolved in HCl and pistachio shells are added, they soon turn black and rubbery. The impregnation could be half the activation. The jar has been drained a few times and it's hard to say if that was chemical or absorbed water.




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[*] posted on 9-8-2015 at 17:10


Excellent work aga!
It is not a surprise to me that the CaCl2 failed to activate the carbon, since I don't imagine changing the surface area of something like carbon would be easy to do at room temperature.
Perhaps you could try adding some CaCl2 to a sample of carbon and popping it in the oven along with the other samples? It's possible that the CaCl2 claim is not entirely bogus, just a little mistranslated.
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[*] posted on 9-8-2015 at 17:22


Quote: Originally posted by Oscilllator  

Perhaps you could try adding some CaCl2 to a sample of carbon and popping it in the oven along with the other samples? It's possible that the CaCl2 claim is not entirely bogus, just a little mistranslated.


And your very vaguely described experiment will clarify this assumed mistranslation, how, pray tell?




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[*] posted on 9-8-2015 at 19:27


Quote: Originally posted by blogfast25  
And your very vaguely described experiment will clarify this assumed mistranslation, how, pray tell?

It was only an idea. Perhaps the CaCl2 does have an effect on the charcoal but only at high temperatures. If so, then it can be assumed that the original source got it wrong. Perhaps "mistranslation" was the wrong word to use, but I can't think of a better one.
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[*] posted on 10-8-2015 at 00:11


As far as i understand it, what's required First is an increase in surface area.

Grinding does that by reducing the particle size.

High temperature steam appears to crack the carbon structure, and also react, randomly removing some of the surface to create a more uneven texture.

Phosphoric acid appears to react with the carbon at elevated temperatures causing the same effect.

CaCl2 is more likely to be simply adsorbed to some extent at RT, and would be unlikely to be removed completely by washing with water.

The traces of CaCl2 would account for some possibility of 'activation' by that method, although the carbon would remain entirely unchanged.

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[*] posted on 1-10-2016 at 10:55


Finally, a year later, having bought more lead for my ball-mill, a pile of charcoal got ground up today, yielding rather a lot of black powder that makes a huge mess if you spill any.

For further 'normal activation', a.k.a. increase surface area, how about simply mixing it with water, stir a lot to form a paste, then freeze it, hopefully causing microfractures in those tiny grains of dust ?

A quick google for 'microfracture' brought this up (about rocks) :-
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191814114...

Hence there's a small pot of black mush in the freezer overnight.

For more Sunday diversion, three lots of 5g each of the ground-up charcoal have been boiled up with 2g of NaOH, CaCl2 and MgSO4 respectively, then filtered & washed & dried.

I'm wondering if AC-treated CaCl2 will perform the same, worse or better than straight CaCl2 in absorbing water from a stream of air.

If nothing goes amiss, tomorrow there'll be some actual scientific data !




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[*] posted on 1-10-2016 at 11:44


I suspect that the CaCl2 activation did not have a significant effect because the Wikipedia article states;
"Prior to carbonization, the raw material is impregnated with certain chemicals"
i.e. not after carbonisation




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[*] posted on 1-10-2016 at 12:09


Hmm. Makes some kind of sense, kind of.

Impregnate the wood with something, then the organic break-down can't go via a straight gas route to just carbon : basically there's bits in the way, causing it to end up all fractured.

A bit like mixing wood shavings with gravel, then setting fire to it - the gravel particles get in the way, so it does not end up as a fine dust.

Well spotted Sulaiman, i'll try it.

Perhaps this is what S.C Wack was alluding to with his pistachio nut shells in a bottle of zinc chloride.

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[*] posted on 1-11-2016 at 09:54


The existing sodium thiosulphate and iodinde solutions were re-standardised and came out +0.0005 N and -0.0008 N, so they were pretty much the same as earlier.

Some more materials were tested to see if they can up the Iodine Number (I.N.) of home-made activated carbon.

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Pyrolysed shop-bought white bread is pretty close to the I.N. of 500 found in the lower-end commercial products, and is the best result yet, despite it being ground by hand in a pestle and mortar instead of in a ball mill.

Amazing that simply freezing milled charcoal also increases the surface area dramatically.

All-in-all, adding chemicals to milled charcoal seems pointless, unless they are targetted at something specific.

Used up the last if the iodine and sodium thiosulphate solutions doing that and there appears to be no iodine left :(

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