Sciencemadness Discussion Board
Not logged in [Login ]
Go To Bottom

Printable Version  
Author: Subject: extraction of acetlysalicylic acid with some strange results
trinitrotoluene
Hazard to Others
***




Posts: 142
Registered: 17-10-2002
Location: California
Member Is Offline

Mood: paranoid

[*] posted on 15-12-2002 at 13:39
extraction of acetlysalicylic acid with some strange results


8 days ago I crushed 125 asprain pills and powdered them.Then I dissolved the powder in 500ml of 70% isoproply alcohol. After there dissolved I did some stirring then let it sit over night. The insoluable filler will sind to the bottom so I can extract the alcohol with the acetlysalicylic acid dissolved in it. To extracted the stuff and left it on a beaker for 5 days. After 5 days there was 150ml of the alcohol left. But alot of acetlysalicylic acid crystals had deposited on the edges. So yesterday I boiled it. I had to go somewhere so I wasnt done I had 50ml left. Today an hour ago I decided to boil away the rest.So I put it onto a hot plate turned it on max then sit tight. For some strange reason the stuff had turned solid last night but as I boiled the studd liquidified I can smell fumes of isoproply alcohol. Then the stuff turned yellow. And now I smell acetic acid. Then I grabed some PH paper and it read that its acidic. For some reason it had changed to acetic acid or what I suspect. Any explanations?

Edit: Corrected spelling in title

[Edited on 14-10-2004 by chemoleo]




TNT
View user's profile View All Posts By User This user has MSN Messenger
kingspaz
Hazard to Self
**




Posts: 55
Registered: 23-7-2002
Location: UK
Member Is Offline

Mood: No Mood

[*] posted on 15-12-2002 at 14:44


ASA is an ester of SA and acetic acid. thats why it smells of vinegar. since you used 70% alcohol you have 30% H2O which can hydrolise this ester back to SA and acetic acid. it's hydrolised much more readily than aliphatic esters because in the SA-O-CO-CH3 bit the C in the middle is much more polarised because of the presence of the delocalised system withdrawing electrons. thus the a lone pair on H2O can more easily make an attack. well thats what i think! any corrections?
View user's profile View All Posts By User
Polverone
Now celebrating 21 years of madness
*********




Posts: 3186
Registered: 19-5-2002
Location: The Sunny Pacific Northwest
Member Is Offline

Mood: Waiting for spring

[*] posted on 15-12-2002 at 23:21


Yes, it's been hydrolyzed. But I wouldn't say it's more readily hydrolyzed than aliphatic esters. Many simple esters aren't even stable toward cold water. Next time try extracting with hot acetone instead of 70% IPA.
View user's profile Visit user's homepage View All Posts By User
Microtek
National Hazard
****




Posts: 869
Registered: 23-9-2002
Member Is Offline

Mood: No Mood

[*] posted on 16-12-2002 at 06:21


Also, avoid heating as this tends to promote hydrolysis. The result of using ethanol at the boiling point will often give a non-crystalline solid that is unsatisfactory for some applications.
View user's profile View All Posts By User
Darkfire
Hazard to Others
***




Posts: 292
Registered: 3-1-2003
Location: California
Member Is Offline

Mood: Wondering

[*] posted on 4-1-2003 at 15:12


I also had something similar happen to me exept when i heated it it burn t giving of a very nasty colorless gas, it acted like a mild hcocking agent, any idea what this could be?

CTR
View user's profile View All Posts By User
trinitrotoluene
Hazard to Others
***




Posts: 142
Registered: 17-10-2002
Location: California
Member Is Offline

Mood: paranoid

[*] posted on 4-1-2003 at 15:35


Maybe the nasty colorless gas could be acetic acid. Thats what I got last time.



TNT
View user's profile View All Posts By User This user has MSN Messenger
Gnown
Harmless
*




Posts: 1
Registered: 22-8-2003
Location: Australia
Member Is Offline

Mood: No Mood

smile.gif posted on 22-8-2003 at 04:02
Extraction of Acetylsalicylic Acid


I tried the same thing, except I used absolute ethanol to extract the ASA. I too had a real problem with the acetic acid fumes and found it was extremely difficult to get rid of all the acetic acid present.

I intended to hydrolyse the stuff and when I did so, I found it just made things worse, since it now smells like it contains salicylic acid, acetic acid AND ETHYL SALICYLATE!! Just great! Oh well...
View user's profile View All Posts By User

  Go To Top