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Nitrogen triiodide + AgNO3
Does anyone tried this :
Nitrogen triiodide + AgNO3
what will be the production of this reaction???
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Sorry, but why would anyone try that?
Assuming the AgNO3 would decompose and not just be scattered around, the reaction products would be a mixture of Ag, I2,
N2, O2, NH4I and maybe some H2O and NOx.
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Well presumably the NI3 will just explode.
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Are you trying to make trinitramide? (If yes, than you need silver nitrite for a remotely plausible reaction.) However, the
NI3 will still probably explode.
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I think he is trying to make trinitramide. Trinitramide can be synthesized from potassium dinitramide and nitronium
sulfate/perchlorate/tetrafluoroborate or something that can ion exchange.
[Edited on 12-3-2014 by DubaiAmateurRocketry]
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wish i had a kraken!!!
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Quote: Originally posted by Dornier 335A  | Sorry, but why would anyone try that?
Assuming the AgNO3 would decompose and not just be scattered around, the reaction products would be a mixture of Ag, I2,
N2, O2, NH4I and maybe some H2O and NOx. |
Because I thought maybe AgNO3 would react with NI3 the Iodine Ion substitute by NO3 and forms NNO3 is it possible???
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| Quote: Originally posted by Cheddite Cheese | | Are you trying to make trinitramide? (If yes, than you need silver nitrite for a remotely plausible reaction.) However, the
NI3 will still probably explode. |
Not exactly I want to know is it possible to make N(NO3)3???
and what are the efficient ways?
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DubaiAmateurRocketry
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I think only N(NO2)3 is possible.
I wonder if dinitramic acid can make dinitramide oxide anion. This dinitrmide oxide anion might be more stable in terms of impact sensitivity than
dinitramide anion.
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I always wondered what silver azide and nitrogen tiriodide would react to give (although every time I ponder it, I can hear my first-year prof's voice
saying, "That's no' gonna be verra stable...."
Please remember: "Filtrate" is not a verb.
Write up your lab reports the way your instructor wants them, not the way your ex-instructor wants them.
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Maybe AgI + N(NO3)3 but the later will disproportionate to N2O4 and N2O5.
Maybe Ag iodate or periodate and NxOy.
Maybe Ag3N and I-ONO2.
For sure an explosion because NI3 is usually complexed by NH3 as NH3.NI3 and NH3 with AgNO3 makes sensitive silver nitrides AgNH2, Ag2NH and Ag3N.
PH Z (PHILOU Zrealone)
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DubaiAmateurRocketry
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| Quote: Originally posted by DraconicAcid | | I always wondered what silver azide and nitrogen tiriodide would react to give (although every time I ponder it, I can hear my first-year prof's voice
saying, "That's no' gonna be verra stable...." |
Triazidoamine ? That might be too much, what about monoazidoamine? We can probably even protonate it to give salts.
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What the HELL is a kranken????
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Release the KRAKEN! An oldie but a goodie.
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wish i had a kraken!!!
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Watch the movie "clash of the titans" u'll find out what Kraken is!!!
and remember: "even GODS fear from Kraken!"
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wish i had a kraken!!!
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U just mentioned my favorite sentence!!!
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Plz somebody do it !!!
I mean add AgNO3 to NI3
[Edited on 13-3-2014 by wish i had a kraken!!!]
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This is a warning. Increase the quality of your posts, kraken. This can include mentioning what experiments or literature searching you have done,
or if postulating new science, back it up with historical precedent.
The lit says a mix of NCl3 and NaN3 in acetone will precipitate sodium chloride, and detonates upon attempting evaporation. I expect similar for this
reaction, and the N-O-N bond is not going to be very stable. It may decompose instantly in solution releasing nitrogen.
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| Quote: Originally posted by The_Davster | | The lit says a mix of NCl3 and NaN3 in acetone will precipitate sodium chloride, and detonates upon attempting evaporation. |
Really? I'm impressed anyone was ever brave enough to try it....
Please remember: "Filtrate" is not a verb.
Write up your lab reports the way your instructor wants them, not the way your ex-instructor wants them.
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What is the paper? Have they tried NMR and etc characterisation on the liquid ? It could be azidoamines.
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Have no clue what paper it was, just something that got stuck in my brain at some point while reading. If I had to guess it may have been under NCl3
in Federoff, or maybe under "triazidoamine" or something similar.
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