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A writing idea
I just started writing a text about self reliance in home chemistry and wanted to know if people had interested in it. The PDF would be free for
download, but donations would be welcomed as usual.
Here is an outline of the content of the book, take none that some words may seem miss used or odd, please advice me in that case.
The Glodeism, a treatise about self reliance in home chemistry
-Preface
Chapter 1: Motivations
1.1-Regulations
1.2-Costs/Availability
1.3-Personal reward
1.4-Variety of reagents
1.5-Self reliance
Chapter 2: Limiting aspects
2.1-Storage
2.2-Investment in equipment
2.3-Chemical engineering knowledge
2.4-Machining
2.5-Feed stock in bulk
Chapter 3: Considerations
3.1-Energy
3.2-Fuel
3.3-Water
3.4-Waste water
3.5-Economics and scale of the system
Chapter 4: Choice of feed stock
4.1-Mineral/Ore/rocks
4.2-Sea water
4.3-Biomass
4.4-Scrap
4.5-Basic heavy chemicals
Chapter 5: Equipment
5.1-Material of construction
5.2-Design
5.3-Catalysts
5.4-Ergonomics
5.5-Economics
Chapter 6: Storage
6.1-Liquid vs solid vs gas vs solution
6.2-Storage temperature
6.3-Unused chemicals
6.4-Ergonomics
6.5-Container
Chapter 7: Choice of heavy chemical to manufacture
7.1-Acids
7.2-Bases
7.3-Oxidizers
7.4-Reducers
7.5-Organics
Chapter 8: Case study 1, partial self reliance
8.1-Feed stock
8.2-Heavy chemical produced
8.3-Equipment needed
8.4-Energy, water, and waste management
8.5-Economics and space requirement
Chapter 9: Case study 2, total self reliance
9.1-Feed stock
9.2-Heavy chemical produced
9.3-Equipment needed
9.4-Energy, water, and waste management
9.5-Economics and space requirement
-Index
So, what do you think?
I never asked for this.
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LanthanumK
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Start off with a summary of each chapter. Expand each chapter when site members express interest. Otherwise you might spend much time creating a huge
document that no one reads.
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NexusDNA
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This would be great and very useful for the amateur who just got into the universe of home experimentation, like many new members. After all, isn't
that what SM.org is about? It would undoubtedly be helpful, and I think many would download it.
Also I personally like the pool feature. Don't you stop making them. 
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Glodepedia or maybe Glodestry! UTFSE will be replaced with RTGM (redirect to Glode manual). just like finishing.com always directs newbies to plater's
books and manuals to keep from repeating the same answers over and over,actually they advertise.LanthanumK is way ahead and has a good point.the book
of Alchglodesmy,Glodesmology analog!
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From reading through the different experiments that you've done, I believe that you'd be capable
of writing something like this. I appreciate the self-reliant focus of the idea, as I lean in this
direction myself.
Before going much further, it might help you to clarify who your intended audience is, and what
skills/finances they are expected to have. Ideally, a book like this should be useful to a wide variety
of people. For example, if there is any lathe or mill work required, this puts an experiment
beyond the abilities of most amateur experimenters.
If all the collective experiments in the book could be done with, say, less than a few hundred dollars
worth of capital investment, and widely available materials, then this could be a major point of interest,
and provide a book that is unique among its peers. An added bonus would be if most of the
experiments could be done with the same basic setups. For example, a furnace (electric, gas,
or whatever) could be configured to act as a kiln (quicklime production); a vertical glass tube
running through it could turn it into a catalytic bead string reactor (aldehyde production); a
test tube inserted through the top could enable its use for the pyrolysis of organic acid salts (alkane
production, or ketones from calcium/barium acetate); etc. Of course, these are just my opinions,
and may be worth no more than what you paid for them. In any case, have fun! If you put a
few years worth of work into it, then it's something that I might buy. There are few things more
satisfying to me than a book that lays everything right out there, with pictures and full
documentation, and that makes me feel so much like I'm already doing the experiments that
I have to get up and try them myself.
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What, no one else would donate?
@WGTR, reading this, I think it could work better as a collaborative effort, much like bfesser's Topical Compendium.
I would love to contribute to some of these topics. Especially 4-1.
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What about merging your idea with bromicacids' book on home chemistry that already has some content? That would give you a good head start to build on
and maybe some ideas as well... I only say this because the two book projects are very similar in their goals, although yours has more specific
topics.
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This sounds good, but I would also say, that it would be better to write A good book and not 5163034 books. So bromic acids book could be a good start
for this. With a little collaboration, something really good could form from these.
If a few chapter is needed in organic/inorganic chemistry or some experimental chemistry, I could also help a bit. And if anything is needed to be
illustrated with 1-2-3-5 picture, then let me know(:
P.S.: The donations are not as easy to get, so if this book would be written, I would say, that 1% of the donatiions would come in, than what you
would expect.
I have a blog where I post my pictures from my work: http://labphoto.tumblr.com/
-Pictures from chemistry, check it out(:
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I'm not against collaborative work, but by experience, theses tend to be inconstant with varying English level and syntax. If it where to be a
collaborative project I would propose to make a short summary of each chapter, so the writer can have the idea. I would then take a look to see if the
writer got the idea, for example, if someone that was writing the chapter 9 wrote that in that case the chemist would have to buy all there chemicals
from alrdrich, I would ask him to re-write it. Then someone would check for syntax, change the level of English and correct the mistakes. And a final
checkup could be done and the file uploaded
Hope people get my point.
As for merging the books, I don't the two have the same "mood" and subject really.
I never asked for this.
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plante1999
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If it is ok for everyone, I will start writing the first chapter. It may help people get the idea of the text.
I never asked for this.
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Just a suggestion, write the meat first. Motivation/Morals/Philosophy leave till last. That way it's immediately useful for it's technical content.
Too many projects run out of steam with only fluff and an introduction intended for beginners.
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We already have a great deal of information, albeit dispersed, in the forum about how to get reagents & equipment, how to build a lab, and how to
do the chemistry.
The aspect of this hobby that really bothers me is the acceptance (and lack thereof) by the public and the authorities. It is fluid and varies with
the locale, etc. You really never know quite where you stand. I know this is a difficult subject to address.
The single most important condition for a successful synthesis is good mixing - Nicodem
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While self reliance means implies independent, I am not quite sure if one can be actually independent in one choice of chemical equipment,
chemicals,..if the very nature of acquisition of said is constrained/influenced/discouraged by negative popular opinion and restrictive local laws
(and possibly also on a larger scale).
To be honest, I am concerned as having served on several occasions on jury duty, the magnitude of scientific and general ignorance, I have encountered
is amazing. This reflects most likely country specific education success, or lack thereof, for its general population. To ignore this fact is to place
oneself in legal peril, not because you did or will ever do anything improper, but making nearly any compound could be interpreted as suspicious by
one so lacking in education.
A chapter on this social issue, a real constraint, is certainly warranted in my opinion. Prepare compounds in only small amounts and consume rapidly.
Avoid certain chemicals that could be used in illicit manners (I know, stupid and very restrictive, but perhaps necessary).
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Mr_Magnesium
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a remember a few members were working on this
http://www.bromicacid.com/bookprogress.htm
I have a copy of it but there are some parts that can be touched up and its missing a few sections. I wonder if anyone is still working on it but you
would maybe put your idea and the half completed book together?
just a suggestion 
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I had almost forgotten it! I'm not sure if anyone is still writing it, but if there's any information, it could be used. Indeed, plante could merge
his idea with the book.
By the way, has anyone heard of Bromic Acid recently?
there may be bugs in gfind
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Pardon my ignorance, but what does glodeism mean? Google turns up nothing but this thread.
You may want to include a chapter for safety and how to abort dangerous experiments to ease the minds of worried parents. Luckily, BromicAcid's book
already has this section. It would be an interesting idea to integrate the topical compendium into the book - copying working procedures, organized by
element/ion/structure.
BromicAcid last logged in more than a week ago. He should be around.
I'd be happy to help with anything regarding transition metals/lanthanides/coordination chemistry/redox. That is, if I have time...
At the end of the day, simulating atoms doesn't beat working with the real things...
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I have no idea what glodeism is either... Is this a new term?
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Aborting experiments would be good - specifically, how *not* to take apart a condenser apparatus. I've gotten my pants soaked more than once.
I'm not sure if we have to request to do or contribute to a certain section, so I'm going to go ahead and work on 4.1 anyway.
All I found for Glodeism was some "Alfabecedar" by Paul Goma - which I can't open nor read.
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plante1999
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It is indeed a term I made myself, on the analogy of the book written by Karl Marx. Both work talk about concept that are utopias...
Francis Glode is my name, I bet you can make the link now ha ha.
I started writing the first chapter today. Will take longer then thought...
I never asked for this.
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FlashDelirium
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This is exactly the sort of book I need! Please continue working on the Glodepedia.
Mad, adj. Affected with a high degree of intellectual independence. -- Ambrose Bierce
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Quote: Originally posted by Magpie  | We already have a great deal of information, albeit dispersed, in the forum about how to get reagents & equipment, how to build a lab, and how to
do the chemistry.
The aspect of this hobby that really bothers me is the acceptance (and lack thereof) by the public and the authorities. It is fluid and varies with
the locale, etc. You really never know quite where you stand. I know this is a difficult subject to address. |
Exactly. This is one of my hobbies that made me seem like basement psychopath. I try to avoid doing this activity when others are watching so I washed
my equipment and done some experiments at like 3 am few times. Not a good idea, few of my neighbours who probably have some sleep problems themselves
thought I was doing something real bad. Had a bad reputation for a while among them and it was hard to fix that. People always see you as a weirdo.
I'm really sad that we live in so limited society. But it's not the problem in this there are many problems in multiple aspects of it. Seems like
being active means that you are a health freak by now and eating a normal healthy diet free of soda should earn you a trip to psychyatrist. Where are
we heading..
[Edited on 28-12-2013 by Random]
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I spend much of my money on books as it is. However, a book like this simply isn't on the market. I'd be hesitant to donate during the early stages,
but I would cheerfully donate more than a nominal amount once the project is done.
Additonally, if donations seem unlikely, perhaps self-publishing is another worthwhile option? I am sure many SM newcomers would pay money. I know I
would!
Mad, adj. Affected with a high degree of intellectual independence. -- Ambrose Bierce
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