kratomiter
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Guanidine Carbonate
Hi!
I got some Guanidine Carbonate, but there's little info on the Web. Megalomania compares it to Ammonium Nitrate but without any experimental
background.
I guess it would require a good detonator + booster in order to detonate.
Anyone has more info? Or better use it as a precursor to nitroguanidine?
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Guanidine carbonate is not explosive, neither is ammonium carbonate. Just because it contains lots of nitrogen and has a good OB does not mean it is a
good explosive. All that nitrogen and oxygen is rather useless if it is alreadly firmly bonded to carbon atoms. Weaker bonds, such as between N-O,
N-N, are much easier to break, so take less energy. (do not let me confuse you, the triple NΞN is very strong, which is why the formation of N2
results in so much energy)
Something else you may not know, anhydrous hydrazine can actually condense with guanidine, replacing the ammonia (ammonolysis). Useful way to prepare
aminoguanidine, if you do not want to go to the trouble of reducing nitroguanidine. Another (very hazardous!) ammonolysis reaction is the displacement
of NH3 from NH4NO3 by hydrazine hydrate (think astrolite).
[Edited on 16-3-2013 by AndersHoveland]
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Thank you so much for you answer, I found odd a carbonate being an explosive. I don't know why Megalomania classifies it as an explosive.
Anyway, could I obtain guanidine nitrate mixing the carbonate with nitric acid? It seems easy enough for a begginer like me.
[Edited on 17-3-2013 by kratomiter]
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You can buy Guanidine Carbonate of eBay.
I don't believe one an buy or sell explosives on eBay.
You could convert it to Guanidine Nitrate and then Nitro Guanidine .... Sorta like Urea.
"Chance favours the prepared mind"
"Fuck It !! We'll do it live !!"
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Yes, it is a smiple acid-base neutralization reaction. Bubbles of carbon dioxide will come out. You might have some problem drying it though. I think
guandine carbonate may be slightly hygroscopic.
There exist many other simple compounds that can be formed in the same way, for example, by adding nitric acid to hexamine. Obviously since it is just
a simple neutralization reaction, the acid concentration does not matter (it is not a "nitration")
[Edited on 17-3-2013 by AndersHoveland]
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