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most powerful whistle mix
There are various types of whistle mix of like potassium chlorate+ benzoic acid ,potassium chlorate+sodium benzoate,potassium chlorate+potassium
benzoate I want to know which one of them is most powerful and what's the correct ratio of all the mix .
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You want powerful or do you want safe?
You can start your reading here:
| Code: | http://www.skylighter.com/fireworks/how-to-make/whistle-mix.asp
and here:
http://www.pyrocreations.com/rocket_propellants1 |
[Edited on 13-12-2012 by hyfalcon]
[Edited on 13-12-2012 by hyfalcon]
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I want the most powerful mix. Which one of them is most powerful. I know they are dangerous I am not worried about safety because I am doing it in
micro scale so please tell me which one of the above mentioned is most powerful mix
Girls break promises like a small child breaks pencil tips so don't trust girl bcoz no girl=no tension
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vikaskoder, my most powerful whistle is 76 potassium perchlorate,23 potassium benzoate,1 copper oxychloride bound with vaseline.my little 1/4 inch
rockets lift a half ounce to a decent height and can lift a full ounce about 15-20m high where as iron oxide can only really lift a small salute,mind
you I haven't tried salicylates.
[Edited on 15-12-2012 by hames]
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If you value your limbs, don't use chlorates. Instead, use perchlorates! This is rule number 1! Even if you don't care for safety, you still need some
basic stability of your products. If you use chlorate, then it is not the question whether or not you will get unwanted ignition, then it is the
question when you will get unwanted ignition. And even one single gram of whistle mix can result in nasty wounds if it ignites at the wrong time and
the wrong place!
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Quote: Originally posted by woelen  | | If you value your limbs, don't use chlorates. Instead, use perchlorates! This is rule number 1! Even if you don't care for safety, you still need some
basic stability of your products. If you use chlorate, then it is not the question whether or not you will get unwanted ignition, then it is the
question when you will get unwanted ignition. And even one single gram of whistle mix can result in nasty wounds if it ignites at the wrong time and
the wrong place! |
Hey Woelen,
Does that make whistle mix with chlorate as dangerous as flash powder... at least in terms of instability and sensitivity to ignition?
I've never done this but just wondering if whistle mix is that dangerous. thanks.
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Whistle mix is dangerous stuff, even with perchlorates. It is comparable with flash powder. I do not play around with that kind of stuff, I value my
fingers too much.
When you use chlorate instead of perchlorate, then I think that you really are begging for big trouble!
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I have only potasium chlorate no access to potassium perchlorate so please suggest me the correct ratios and most powerful mix of the above mentioned
mix in my first post
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If you value you fingers and other appendages, DON'T USE CHLORATE!
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Anybody who, as this person does consistently, demands
the most powerful whatever, doesn't value their fingers. I have a question about whether they value their own life.
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| Quote: Originally posted by watson.fawkes | | Anybody who, as this person does consistently, demands
the most powerful whatever, doesn't value their fingers. I have a question about whether they value their own life. |
I think the wisdom come with ages.
I do quite dangerous things, very toxic, but I do them safely and my only fear is death, so be assured that I keep my things safe. Pyrotechnics are
different, they don't give a chance, that's mostly why I don't use them (Play). I still keep saying that energetics should only be done for developing
better explosive, not to play with them, especially not fuel- oxidizer ones, I find these especially k3wl.
I never asked for this.
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| Quote: Originally posted by plante1999 | | Quote: Originally posted by watson.fawkes | | Anybody who, as this person does consistently, demands
the most powerful whatever, doesn't value their fingers. I have a question about whether they value their own life. |
I think the wisdom come with ages.
I do quite dangerous things, very toxic, but I do them safely and my only fear is death, so be assured that I keep my things safe. Pyrotechnics are
different, they don't give a chance, that's mostly why I don't use them (Play). I still keep saying that energetics should only be done for developing
better explosive, not to play with them, especially not fuel- oxidizer ones, I find these especially k3wl. |
I value my limbs my life . I am not doing pyrotechnics for fun . I am doing it on microscale . I have experience in making organic peroxides
nitroglycerine and other high explosives this time i am making most powerful whistle mix so i want to know which one can be made from potassium
chlorate and benzoic acid or sodium benzoate or potassium benzoate and what are the correct ratios
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You are just asking for a CATO before you even get something on the launch pad. Any of these mixtures are shock sensitive. The picture at the top of
the first link is what a CATO with the SAFE mix is capable of.
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@Vikascoder: I hope that the message of all responses is clear. If you don't have perchlorates then you have two options:
1) Forget about whistle mix at all (this probably is the best option for you)
2) Take the effort and get yourself some KClO4. It's hard to obtain, but not impossible.
There is only one reaction which gives a recipe for a mix, and that is based on KClO4!
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Certain material approach what are called in Pyrotechnics "Death Mixes." Armstrong's mixture comes to mind. So stupidly sensitive and dangerous that
nobody with any sense makes it anymore. I wouldn't say a chlorate-based whistle approaches Armstrong's, but it may be close.
If you want to play with a death mixture, it's your call. Probably somewhere near 70:30 oxidizer to fuel is close.
The number of people who come to forums like this asking the things you do, who have the attitude of "I'm smarter and safer than those other guys who
blew up, it won't happen to me" is staggering. I can say this because it is obvious you think "It won't happen to me." If someone DID think that,
they'd obviously not pursue it.
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I can just see someone trying to hand ram one of these mixes. If he did, he would be a prime candidate for a Darwin award. Any of these mixes have
to be rammed with an arbor press or a hydraulic press, along with all necessary blast shields and safety equipment. This material is no joke!
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I had made some rockets with potassium chlorate and benzoic acid today and successfully all were extremely powerful andluckily no accidents . now I
will work with sodium benzoate and potassium chlorate tomorrow
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You still didn't get the message????
Luckily no accidents? Not now, maybe not tomorrow, but you WILL have accidents if you go on like you do now.
This is soooo k3wl
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I've said all I'm going to on the subject. caveat emptor
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| Quote: Originally posted by Vikascoder | | I had made some rockets with potassium chlorate and benzoic acid today and successfully all were extremely powerful andluckily no accidents . now I
will work with sodium benzoate and potassium chlorate tomorrow |
You just don't get it! Its not just your appendages and life that is at stake if something goes wrong...u will also bring unwanted attention to a
hobby that is already under great suspicion.
I really want to encourage younger members of this forum to learn and share, including the science and chemistry behind energetics, but when some
respected members on this forum are telling you not to use, "chlorate", you need to listen!!! It doesn't matter if you are going to do it
'microscale'.
Get "perchlorate" or don't do it at all!!! May God be with you!
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Finally I last time used potassium chlorate and sodium benzoate and made only one rocket with ot ratios were 7:3 It was far more powerful than
potassium chlorate and benzoic acid . I did everything very very carefully and luckily i didn't had any accident this time also :-D
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Apparently the message has not been received. Never, when experimenting, should you need to say "luckily there was no accident this time either!"
First if you need to say "luckily" this demonstrates that you are leaving your safety up to chance. You may have an accident or you may not, who
knows. The fact that you are even anticipating potential accidents from preparing a known dangerous mix and then gloating about not having any is
rather immature.
Perhaps since luck seems to be on your side and you are on a four leaf clover pooping streak you should try gambling- who knows how far your luck will
get you then. Maybe you could win enough money to build yourself a perchlorate cell?
[Edited on 18-12-2012 by Mailinmypocket]
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500 grams of whistle mix in a Plastic bag.
http://www.wichitabuggywhip.com/fireworks/extra/500gramwhist...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vf1WCtYN6A&feature
That's perchlorate whistle mix, phlegmatized with mineral oil
Don't worry about "most powerful". Worry about safe handling, and avoid Chlorate.
http://www.creagan.net/fireworks/rockets/whistletests.html
[Edited on 18-12-2012 by Bert]
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| Quote: Originally posted by Vikascoder | | I have only potasium chlorate no access to potassium perchlorate so please suggest me the correct ratios and most powerful mix of the above mentioned
mix in my first post |
You can easily make KClO4 from KClO3 via electrolysis. I believe there is a thread on this.
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Having been through a very serious pyrotechnic accident myself, I can assure you that you're asking for trouble. I did something dumb, and I admit
it. A freak accident was greatly compounded. However you make my poor decisions look like Nobel level research. I really hope you start saving now
for the hospital and legal bills that you will endure. Given your attitude it's not an if, it's a when.
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