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18K Gold sould I drop it in aqua regia.
Hello,
Today I was walking through the city, just going for a stroll. Out of nowhere I heard hey sir. There was this gentleman from Dubai in his vehicle who
was stranded in the city and needed to get to Toronto. He had 2 gold rings he dropped in my hands asking for money. I am an honest person so I didn't
run. He said he was rich but lost his money he had in the city and needed to get back home. In the end he gave me 2 rings and a necklace 78.5g of 18K
gold, it's stamped on every piece for $360.
I really could have ran as soon as he dropped the rings in my hands, but that would have been on my conscious.
I was considering dropping the chain in aqua regia and selling the rings and cross from the chain.
Am I stupid or should I drop it all in aqua regia?
Edit:
I am actually thinking of dissolving the cross and selling the chain.
[Edited on 8-7-2020 by Syn the Sizer]
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I hate to say it but your "conscious" was unconscious. I hope I'm wrong, but this smells very strongly of a scam. Go ahead and dump it all into aqua
regia, and after the gold plating (hopefully not brass plating) dissolves, then the base metal underneath will probably dissolve too. At this point,
you can chalk it all up to experience, or you can practice inorganic qualitative analysis and separate the mixture of metals.
I really hope I'm wrong about a scam, and also that this isn't a belated April Fool's Day joke.
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Syn the Sizer
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No this is the real thing. They are clearly worn. There is dirt caught in some of the grooves even a couple small dings that are shiny as the rest. I
looked the rings over before I hopped into the vehicle. I realize a stamp saying 18K doesn't guarantee 18K but with the parts that are worn smooth
from the finger are still shiny and the stamp is shiny inside the grooves too.
I have been trying to get a good shot of the 18K stamp but my camera sucks. I have a photo of it all together though.
[Edited on 9-7-2020 by Syn the Sizer]
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Before you do anything go to a pawn shop or cash for gold place that uses xrf testing.the scratch test is inefficient and incomplete and is not good
enough.this will give you a very precise readout of what you have in % of each metal. you don't want to see tungsten or titanium anywhere.copper
silver lead are to be expected if real.ive seen 23.7 carat gold with an iron impurity but I don't think it was magnetic.if it's magnetic you have gold
plated iron.anyways xrf testing is what you need.dont do anything until then.
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Syn the Sizer
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Quote: Originally posted by draculic acid69  | | Before you do anything go to a pawn shop or cash for gold place that uses xrf testing.the scratch test is inefficient and incomplete and is not good
enough.this will give you a very precise readout of what you have in % of each metal. you don't want to see tungsten or titanium anywhere.copper
silver lead are to be expected if real.ive seen 23.7 carat gold with an iron impurity but I don't think it was magnetic.if it's magnetic you have gold
plated iron.anyways xrf testing is what you need.dont do anything until then. |
Sounds good, I was planning on going to a gold dealer to have it checked out. It definitely isn't magnetic, I just checked with a hard drive magnet.
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That used to be an effective way to determine if it's fake but now instead of iron they use tungsten or titanium.just a few days ago a news story from
china about how billions in fake gold bars were used as collateral for loans went worldwide.it was all just coated tungsten or
copper.https://www.afr.com/markets/commodities/the-mystery-of-4b-of-loans-backed-by-fake-gold-20200705-p55938
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Syn the Sizer
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lol, Crazy, well we'll see what happens, maybe I was taken.
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draculic acid69
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Pictures?
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| Quote: Originally posted by draculic acid69 | | That used to be an effective way to determine if it's fake but now instead of iron they use tungsten or titanium.just a few days ago a news story from
china about how billions in fake gold bars were used as collateral for loans went worldwide.it was all just coated tungsten or
copper.https://www.afr.com/markets/commodities/the-mystery-of-4b-of-loans-backed-by-fake-gold-20200705-p55938 |
I'm pretty sure they're using tungsten these days, because it has nearly the same density as gold. Titanium would be far lighter.
Please remember: "Filtrate" is not a verb.
Write up your lab reports the way your instructor wants them, not the way your ex-instructor wants them.
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Syn the Sizer
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Yes I meant to upload them I will do that right now.
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Syn the Sizer
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I tried getting shots of the stamp but it isn't clear in the photos.
    
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What's it say above the cross? And what is on the ring? Is it poker? The two rings seem to go together
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It says "INRI", which stands for Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews. It's common on Catholic crosses.
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https://www.liveauctionworld.com/GOLD-TONE-POKER-RING_i34069...
https://www.letgo.com/en-ca/i/mens-18k-gold-poker-ring_ba6f0...
I found the ring on Google but no details. Letgo is not available in my country so I can't look at this.
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That looks like the one. It's a 16.7 g 18K ring (size 10.5) for $250 (presumably Canadian).
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Syn the Sizer
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Yep it says poker on the ring. letgo says it's 18K gold and going for $250 and the weight more or less matches, the site says 16.7g I weighed 17g and
that could be the scale I used out a bit.
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I'd say it's plated or filled gold. It seems a little too yellow to me. Let us know about any xrf results.
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Syn the Sizer
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| Quote: Originally posted by draculic acid69 | I'd say it's plated or filled gold. It seems a little too yellow to me. Let us know about any xrf results.
[Edited on 9-7-2020 by draculic acid69] |
I will, for sure.
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Bite it? If it's a gold alloy you will leave a sizeable dent. Or take wire snippers and try to cut the ring in half. If it's gold plated tungsten, you
won't be able to.
Looking forward to knowing what comes out of this!
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This sounds too good to be true. Current spot price of gold is well over US$ 50 per gram. I expect it to be gold, plated over some other metal or
alloy.
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I'm surprised if they contain any significant amount of gold.
There are whole industry branches in the world that are specialized in making fake items, including antiques and patinizing (referring to your "worn
looking" comment). Coins were sweated in the past times for precious metal powder, a modern scam artist would likely just use tumbler or ball mill -
if coins were still based on their intrinsic value.
The story about chinese artisans was interesting I heard from an art enthusiast. He told that when there was an art scam crisis, and there was a
sudden surge of rare coins and pieces of art, which appeared very real and fooled even professional numismatics, but when an actual forensic
investigation were made, they found out that they were exceptionally well made fakes originating from china. There was also a story about crystal
skulls decades aco which were upon speculation that they would be even originated from extra-terrestrial sources, but they were also traced back to
chinese craftmans.
Point of the story is that if something worth money can be faked, it probably will be at some point. If you get good at making something, it can turn
out really profitable.
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Rich guy from Dubai with a cross on his neck? Sounds legit
What did you give him for that?
There are many scammers in my area who do similar things, many of them describe them as businessman, they are driving good cars and they wear nice
suits - so they look quite legit. They offer gold or other things for a money that would be sufficient to tank the car explaining that they forgot to
take a wallet of somebody robbed them just before and they need to attend business meeting somewhere in the country - but unfortunately they have no
fuel
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| Quote: Originally posted by outer_limits | Rich guy from Dubai with a cross on his neck? Sounds legit
What did you give him for that?
There are many scammers in my area who do similar things, many of them describe them as businessman, they are driving good cars and they wear nice
suits - so they look quite legit. They offer gold or other things for a money that would be sufficient to tank the car explaining that they forgot to
take a wallet of somebody robbed them just before and they need to attend business meeting somewhere in the country - but unfortunately they have no
fuel
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Yeah, guy from Dubai with a cross is contradictory
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I am really interested if it turns out to be real gold.
Please update as soon as possible about your findings with this stuff!
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| Quote: Originally posted by draculic acid69 | | Quote: Originally posted by outer_limits | Rich guy from Dubai with a cross on his neck? Sounds legit
What did you give him for that?
There are many scammers in my area who do similar things, many of them describe them as businessman, they are driving good cars and they wear nice
suits - so they look quite legit. They offer gold or other things for a money that would be sufficient to tank the car explaining that they forgot to
take a wallet of somebody robbed them just before and they need to attend business meeting somewhere in the country - but unfortunately they have no
fuel
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Yeah, guy from Dubai with a cross is contradictory |
Nope, not at all. Dubai is 13% Christian. And they don't throw a shit-fit about people wearing crosses there.
Dubai is also the claimed country of origin for many of the perpetrators of the old gold ring scam in Canada.
The RCMP has been issuing bulletins for years about this.
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