Housane
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Strange separation of layers
Hi when I extracted indigo using an asorbic acid and sodium hydroxide reducing bath and then I acidified it to drop out the indigo and on filtering 2
layers formed the top layer was yellow and neutral but the bottom layer was dark orange and strongly basic. Any idea what the two layers are and why
they formed. Indigo was caught in the filter.
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What were you extracting the indigo from? What else might have been present in the raw materials?
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are you saying you did a purely aqueous extraction and ended up with 2 separate layers? No organic solvent? Alittle more information regarding the
specifics of the procedure would help.
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Yeah only solvents were water, sodium hydroxide and asorbic acid then heated with a piece of denim in it and upon acic anaddition it was stirred and
filtered to recover indigo and then the 2layers formed
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My only thoughts are that either it's a decomposition product of some polymer fiber in the denim (eg elastane), or of the fiber coatings ( for example
magnesium stearate is used on some fibers to prevent sticking).
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Ok would the water layer be the top or bottom one, sorry I am new to organic chemistry
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How did you make sure there was no more ascorbic acid present?
Shouldn't both layers be at least neutral to acidic? If not you wouldn't have any indigo precipitating. Are you sure you don't still have ascorbic
acid in there, keeping the indigo reduced, which then turns blue on your pH-paper after enough oxygen exposure?
In that case I think the layer that turns your pH-paper red is the organic layer. You can always check which is which by putting in a drop of water,
if it sinks the top layer is the organic. If it mixes, the top layer is the water layer.
That, or you didn't add enough acid to get the hydroxide neutralized. In that case I still wonder how much ascorbic acid is still in there, as your
pH-paper looks like there is a bunch of indigo in that water layer.
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I will try that when I am back at the lab, here is a picture of the collected indigo.
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