Sciencemadness Discussion Board
Not logged in [Login ]
Go To Bottom

Printable Version  
Author: Subject: Anyone willing to sell nitromethane 100-200ml?
gluon47
Hazard to Self
**




Posts: 81
Registered: 20-9-2015
Location: oceania
Member Is Offline

Mood: fluorinated and dying

[*] posted on 22-9-2019 at 21:42
Anyone willing to sell nitromethane 100-200ml?


Looking to acquire a small amount of nitromethane for an experiment. Unable to find any source so far. Need 100-200ml

I'm based in Zew Zealand, so you would have to be willing to ship to me, or live there yourself

Please U2U me if interested..




reality is an illusion :D
View user's profile Visit user's homepage View All Posts By User
draculic acid69
International Hazard
*****




Posts: 1371
Registered: 2-8-2018
Member Is Offline


[*] posted on 22-9-2019 at 22:36


How much are you willing to spend on the nitromethane? I might be able to do it.
View user's profile View All Posts By User
gluon47
Hazard to Self
**




Posts: 81
Registered: 20-9-2015
Location: oceania
Member Is Offline

Mood: fluorinated and dying

[*] posted on 22-9-2019 at 23:20


Say $18.80 USD (~30NZD) + postage (if it's not ridiculous) for 100ml (pretty sure that's all I need). Seems pretty reasonable to me.. U2U if you'd be open to this



reality is an illusion :D
View user's profile Visit user's homepage View All Posts By User
Deathunter88
National Hazard
****




Posts: 519
Registered: 20-2-2015
Location: Beijing, China
Member Is Offline

Mood: No Mood

[*] posted on 23-9-2019 at 08:54


If the deal doesn't work out, you can always just buy nitromethane remote control car fuel and distill it from there. Cheap and easy.
View user's profile View All Posts By User
draculic acid69
International Hazard
*****




Posts: 1371
Registered: 2-8-2018
Member Is Offline


[*] posted on 23-9-2019 at 17:30


That's all I was going to do.gluon is RC car fuel not available to you?
View user's profile View All Posts By User
gluon47
Hazard to Self
**




Posts: 81
Registered: 20-9-2015
Location: oceania
Member Is Offline

Mood: fluorinated and dying

[*] posted on 23-9-2019 at 23:33


Allright... look, sorry guys, I've messed up. It appears that 30% nitromethane RC fuel is available to me. It never occured to me to look for premixed fuel, had only looked for 100% nitromethane from the same suppliers, and reagent grade nitromethane elsewhere. I'm sure I could do the whole distillation and get some that way. Anyway, my apologies for starting this thread.
Quote: Originally posted by draculic acid69  
That's all I was going to do.gluon is RC car fuel not available to you?

:o Fair enougth ;)
Quote: Originally posted by Deathunter88  
If the deal doesn't work out, you can always just buy nitromethane remote control car fuel and distill it from there. Cheap and easy.

jee, thanks for mentioning ;)

Maybe thread should be moved to detritus now..

[Edited on 24-9-2019 by gluon47]




reality is an illusion :D
View user's profile Visit user's homepage View All Posts By User
woelen
Super Administrator
*********




Posts: 8013
Registered: 20-8-2005
Location: Netherlands
Member Is Offline

Mood: interested

[*] posted on 24-9-2019 at 01:01


No need to move to detritus, little mistakes like this sometimes happen.
No problem ;)




The art of wondering makes life worth living...
Want to wonder? Look at https://woelen.homescience.net
View user's profile Visit user's homepage View All Posts By User
Praxichys
International Hazard
*****




Posts: 1063
Registered: 31-7-2013
Location: Detroit, Michigan, USA
Member Is Offline

Mood: Coprecipitated

[*] posted on 24-9-2019 at 06:29


In small quantities you can make it from trichloroethylene and sodium nitrite, a degreasing solvent and a food preservative.

Trichloroethylene is hydrolyzed via strong sulfuric acid to chloroacetic acid, distilled and neutralized cold to sodium chloracetate (useful for lots of other stuff as well, easily hydrolyzed to glycolic acid, for instance). This can be reacted with sodium nitrite in warm water, leaving nitromethane which can be distilled out, or (as I suspect but cannot verify) could potentially be salted out.

Nitromethane is useful because it can be hydrolyzed by HCl under pressure to hydroxylamine HCL or reduced to methylamine using a modified Clemmensen.


Chloroacetic acid from trichloroethylene was used industrially on an extensive basis up until recently and there is plenty of literature available. From Ullmann's:

"Hydrolysis of trichloroethylene: In this process equal weights of trichloroethylene and sulphuric acid are heated to 130-140 deg C in the reactor. A mixture of trichloroethylene and sulphuric acid is continuously fed to the bottom of the reactor. The chloroacetic acid and sulphuric acid are permitted to overflow into a cascade, where the chloroacetic acid is distilled at 20 mm Hg and the sulphuric acid is recycled. The hydrolysis of trichioroethylene yields high-purity monochloroacetic acid, but has the disadvantage of utilising a relatively more expensive starting material. [as compared to direct chlorination of acetic acid, which yields mixed chloroacetic acids that are difficult to separate on a lab scale]"

This seems quite adaptable to a batchwise bench process.

Nitromethane synth: http://www.orgsyn.org/demo.aspx?prep=CV1P0401

[Edited on 24-9-2019 by Praxichys]
View user's profile Visit user's homepage View All Posts By User

  Go To Top