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Chemicals in Canada?
I'm visiting Vancouver and other parts of BC, Canada in the near future. Where can I get minerals/chemicals/equipment there? I want to buy some
precious metals (Ag, Au,Pt etc), which precious metal retailer should I choose?
And if I put them in checked luggage, what kinds of chemicals will be detected? Will they be removed from my luggage?
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Some chemicals I'd like to have are radioactive stuff namely Th and U, and cyanide salts. Are they legal in Canada? If yes I'd like to buy them there.
And will they be detected/removed from a checked luggage when I depart from Canada?
[Edited on 190216 by fusso]
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I assume airports x-ray checked luggage too. They have a way of telling what is organic and what isn't by the way substances absorb x-ray (higher
atomic number --> more absorption). IIRC it uses two x-ray detectors: one for high energy and one for low energy x-rays, and a filter than lets
through mostly high energy between the detectors. So they can distinguish metals from C, N, O, etc. They would probably be suspicious of a bag of
powder and even more so if it has unusual x-ray absorption. Maybe they check for radioactivity too, IDK.
I don't know if cyanides and uranium or thorium salts are legal tho.
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Quote: Originally posted by Heptylene  | | They have a way of telling what is organic and what isn't by the way substances absorb x-ray (higher atomic number --> more absorption). IIRC it
uses two x-ray detectors: one for high energy and one for low energy x-rays, and a filter than lets through mostly high energy between the detectors.
So they can distinguish metals from C, N, O, etc. They would probably be suspicious of a bag of powder and even more so if it has unusual x-ray
absorption. Maybe they check for radioactivity too, IDK. |
Will NaI/KI give "weird" xray image on airport
scanner? Will NaCN look different from NaCl in xray?
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Heptylene
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Hard to tell what will look weird to them, I don't have their experience. I just know they can tell heavy from light elements. How often to people
have to transport bulk powder in their luggage anyway? I'd say any powder will look suspicious.
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No! No! No!
Moving weird chemicals, across international borders in your luggage, is a great way to end up in Guantanamo!
Expect to be detained first, competently questioned second (and much later), and third..... expect release about the time Hell freezes over.
If you must shop for chemicals abroad; Ship it, or mail it, home!
Also.... Where are you actually located? Being cryptic about your area of origin is all very well, until you start asking about buying chemicals.
Real world location, then becomes very relevant.
In some parts of the world, stuff I can buy at my neighborhood hardware store, would be sending the unauthorized possessor, off to a gulag.
[Edited on 17-2-2019 by zed]
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fusso
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| Quote: Originally posted by zed | No! No! No!
Moving weird chemicals, across international borders in your luggage, is a great way to end up in Guantanamo!
Expect to be detained first, competently questioned second (and much later), and third..... expect release about the time Hell freezes over.
If you must shop for chemicals abroad; Ship it, or mail it, home!
Also.... Where are you actually located? Being cryptic about your area of origin is all very well, until you start asking about buying chemicals.
Real world location, then becomes very relevant.
In some parts of the world, stuff I can buy at my neighborhood hardware store, would be sending the unauthorized possessor, off to a gulag.
[Edited on 17-2-2019 by zed] |
Hence I'm not buying some more exotic stuff, just the aforementioned common
industrial chemicals. Detained? By which country? The one before the flight or the one after? I live in asia, that's all I could say about my
location.
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Try it and let us know.
I am pretty sure there is one member of this forum who had to take a forced vacation from an incident at an airport. Just post up when you get home
with your stuff.
From a personal point of view, if you are able to declare it for customs, it may be okay.
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| Quote: Originally posted by morganbw | Try it and let us know.
I am pretty sure there is one member of this forum who had to take a forced vacation from an incident at an airport. Just post up when you get home
with your stuff.
From a personal point of view, if you are able to declare it for customs, it may be okay. |
I wouldn't want to
risk it as I don't want to waste $ to buy another plane ticket, and my clean record of course. I'd want to know more about transporting chemicals
across borders first before actually doing it so I want more advice from others here.
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declare it to customs, as if you don't and they find it you will be in VERY big trouble! allot of Americans have ended up in very very hot water due
to accidentally forgetting things never mind intentional dodging!
So good luck but I imagine there isn't much here then any where ells, and it depends what province your in, Vancouver happens to be a good place if
you walk some of the train tracks you can get bags of free sulfur, and with enough looking in the more industrial areas and good knowledge of
application tons other you can get.
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So, are cyanides and radioactives legal to buy in BC, and be packed into a checked luggage? Their Legality in Canada is my bigger concern, more than
whether I can import them into my country.
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In other words, my concern is the acquisition and export part, ie from buying chemicals to transporting them out of Canada, not the
import part, ie from the chemicals entering my country border to arriving at my home.
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| Quote: Originally posted by fusso | | In other words, my concern is the acquisition and export part, ie from buying chemicals to transporting them out of Canada, not the
import part, ie from the chemicals entering my country border to arriving at my home. |
and to do that you need to declare them to customs as any package leaving Canada will go through there.
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If you could buy it..... No airline would knowingly allow you to fly with that stuff. I would never attempt to personally transport such a thing,
in MY luggage, on any commercial aircraft. It's a bad idea.
I'm in the USA. I can easily buy stuff that is highly restricted in much of the world. I can't fly with it.
I can probably buy Cyanides in the USA, with good reason and identification, and my signature on a document.
But, I have heard whispers, that Americans may be forbidden from making some kinds of chemical purchases, in Canada.
Sale to Canadians....Maybe. Sale to me....Maybe not.
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That part of the world is not so open to selling chemicals to individuals. You are in most cases required to have a tax number(business) or at the
very least a business address.
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Are there chemical/lab equipment suppliers/retailers in/near Vancouver that have a physical store and will sell to individuals?
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Small amounts of precious metals should be fine and will show up on x-ray but will not cause any problems as no-one will care about them.cyanides and
radioactive materials at an international airport is idiotic.apparently cyanide will show up on x-ray.an episode of CSI referenced the cyanide in the
panadol case many years ago.thats how they figured out which bottles were contaminated and which weren't.they x-rayed them.the lesson being don't take
cyanide or radioactive materials to the airport.
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But why do airports hate radioactives? Do gamma rays interfere with their navigation system?
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Your joking right?
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It sounds like the airline you're flying with would be better equipped than we are to discuss the specifics and rationale of their checked-luggage
policy.
If you're reluctant to discuss your plans with them, stop and think about why.
al-khemie is not a terrorist organization
"Chemicals, chemicals... I need chemicals!" - George Hayduke
"Wubbalubba dub-dub!" - Rick Sanchez
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You are either incredibly naive, stupid, trolling, or all three. "So, are cyanides and radioactives legal to buy in BC, and be packed into a checked
luggage?" Are you serious? No hazmat materials allowed in commercial flights, period.
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I'm starting to think it would be a great idea for this guy to walk through an international airport with cyanides and radioactives.
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"Amateur chemist seized in airport in possession of deadly poisons and materials for dirty bomb." I'm sure that would be GREAT publicity for amateur
chemists and make people want to loosen laws regarding chemicals.  (Also I get
you're being sarcastic)
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Yes I was being sarcastic ;-)
Sort of.
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