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Criminals are mostly cowards. If they think there's a chance that someone will shoot them if they try to rob/kill someone, they think twice about
committing the crime, simple as that.
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http://dailycaller.com/2013/04/23/eighth-grader-arrested-ove...
These following accounts remove all doubt to any sentient being that segments
of the population at large have in fact transgressed into psychosis.
http://dailycaller.com/2013/04/23/eighth-grader-arrested-ove...
http://dailycaller.com/2013/02/02/high-school-freshman-suspe...
http://dailycaller.com/2013/06/18/the-14-year-old-kid-arrest...
http://news.yahoo.com/14-old-kid-arrested-over-pro-nra-shirt...
Your rights ? Just what rights would those be ? You have the right to comply
with the denial of your rights. You do not have the right to assert your rights.
http://news.yahoo.com/supreme-court-decided-silence-used-aga...
http://news.yahoo.com/supreme-court-remain-silent-suspect-mu...
http://news.yahoo.com/court-says-pre-miranda-silence-used-14...
The supreme court has ruled in effect that if police questions such as
' do you still beat your wife ' remain unanswered by you , that can be
probable cause for further action and will serve as evidence against
you. Lying to a federal investigator is a crime in itself , so , they can
lawfully entrap you now simply by asking you a question.
So what is the meaning of Miranda anymore " anything you say can
be used against you in a court of law " if saying nothing gets you to
the same place. The " I don't understand " " I don't remember "
irrelevant small talk probably still works , though it didn't help the kid
in the first instance above.
If you do something and it pleases government not to stop you , that — is a privilege.
A right is when you do something the government doesn't like , but that's perfectly
alright , they don't have to like it , in a free society. Nowhere is it chiseled in granite
that government has to like what you do. Its not chiseled in granite at any monument
in Washington D.C.. It's not chiseled in granite on any monument at Philadelphia. Look
all you want , you won't find it. It is not in any of the papers of government , national
state or municipal , nowhere , anywhere , and I will venture to say not on any building
or document of any governing authority at any time , in any place , in the history of
the world. No government ever has proclaimed the government must like what you
do. That is all the proof that governments are inherently hostile to those it governs ,
it's what they do , it is all they do , all of the time as a matter of routine , it defines
government. Given the nature of this Cyclops , wise men drafted a charter caging the
beast at that time when this country was free. How can anyone think one should have
confidence this animal can be civilized and urbane , and let it out , given it's savage
nature. So you ask them in authority , do you like it that I have a gun. Does it please
you that you can't do anything about it. No answer. No , it sticks in their throats
sideways. They can't spit it out and they don't want to swallow it.
In the aftermath of the civil war era of our history remembered as reconstruction ,
there were then many black American hillbilly's wearing tuxedos pretending to be
statesmen in their regional legislatures. The government soon after put them back
in their place. Oh but wait just a minute here , we have an amendment , it states
we're people too. Oh yeah , well tell it to aunt Jemima. Object lesson , even after
killing for your rights , they are not yours by any measure when it depends on the
good graces of your government for you to have them. If what you are pleased
to call your rights , depends upon the government not revoking them , or just not
acknowledging them as some today assert the government is entitled to do , you
are at best at the margins of being cattle. If you submit to it you are no better than
cattle. As it was then , it remains today , the plain matter of fact.
A man convinced against his will Is of the same opinion still.
― Dale Carnegie
The first world war was precipitated by an assassination.
I have no doubt that there will be violent insurrection in this country
the only question is what will be the last straw that initiates insurgency.
How much excrement will the remaining humans put up with in the land
of the pod people.
http://www.youtube.com/embed/SR32SqbdQtg
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You do know that the ill of rights was instituted by the government, don't you?
So the government set up a legal document to ensure that you could do the things they didn't want you to.
OK, fine.
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The constitution was instituted by a convention of state delegates.
The republic it established was restrained by the constitution until
it was systematically circumvented. It still means what it said but
the liars that enacted themselves to represent it do not.
The ' government ' doesn't ensure anything , it doesn't even ensure
this country's legal tender, the Federal Reserve being about as
federal , as Federal Express shipping.
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Real people in real America - not the slander presented in television networks
www.theglobeandmail.com/news/news-video/getting-to-know-some...
The virtue of this video is that folks are shown speaking in their own words without
' voice over ' commentary. The story is described as " hard line pro-gun activists "
and that's a fair statement. One can provide a story and give an editorial opinion.
It baits the question for me though , if this had been about horticulture would it be
described as hard line pro-green gardeners vow they'll get my pruning shears when
they pry them from my cold dead fingers.
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"Ban the criminal; not the guns"
because that works so well.
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Happy Independence Day
Let's eat some watermelon 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Eo-TI5-waU
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President Obama issued an Executive Order directing the Centers for Disease
Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence. Here is what
it found _
1 • Suicides , not violent encounters with guns , represent over 60%
of all gun related deaths. Take the suicides out of the statistical analysis and
the US has one of the lowest per capita death by guns statistics in the world.
2 • Those using a gun to defend themselves have consistently and
significantly lower injures in violent encounters than those without a gun to
defend themselves. This entirely contradicts claims by anti gun advocates
that a gun iin your home or on your person is likely to be used against you
by a criminal in a violent encounter.
3 • Defensive use of guns are at least as common as offensive uses
by criminals , with estimates of citizens using guns to defend themselves
more than 3 million times per year.
4 • Overall , gun related deaths have been declining for years , during
the same period when gun purchases have soared , mainly in response to
attempts to ban gun ownership.
Obama , Biden , Feinstein , Schumer, Bloomberg , are now attempting to
suppress this study. Your tax dollars in action.
Here is the actual paper which is being suppressed _
Attachment: Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence.pdf (878kB)
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From "The Institute of Medicine" "The National Research Council"
for "The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention".
www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/15941-cdc-study-ord...
" The study said that “ interventions ” such as background checks and
restrictions on firearms and increased penalties for illegal gun use , had
“ mixed ” results , while “ turn in ” programs “ are ineffective ” in reducing
crime. The study noted that most criminals obtain their guns in the
underground economy — from friends , family members , or gangs —
well outside any influence from gun controls on legitimate gun owners.
Specific laws passed of the following kind have been shown to be either
ineffectual or indeterminate in effect on gun violence.
• Bans on specified firearms or ammunition
• Restrictions on firearm acquisition
• Waiting periods for firearm acquisition
• Firearm registration and licensing of owners
• Zero tolerance for firearms in schools.
http://guardianlv.com/2013/06/gun-violence-facts-in-new-repo...
" Exclude figures for Illinois , California New Jersey and Washington D.C., and
the homicide rate in the United States is in line with that of any other country.
Washington D.C. the nation’s capital , along with those other three states ,
already have the strictest gun laws in the country."
Just how applying such laws nationally would be of any benefit , is not explained.
Nor is the real likelihood considered that gun violence can be escalated as it has
in those places , as a result of repressive firearm laws. An often observed result.
www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm
• Firearm homicides: 11,078
• Deaths per 100,000 population: 3.6
All deaths in 2010 , pg 17
23.7 % from poisoning
18.6 % from motor vehicles
17.5 % from firearms ( 61 % of which were suicides )
14.9 % from falls
Not exactly the epidemic of gun violence we are being told.
What contribution if any does mental illness make.
http://promoteacceptance.samhsa.gov/publications/facts.aspx
" the contribution of people with mental illnesses to overall rates of violence is
small ”
“ the magnitude of the relationship is greatly exaggerated in the minds of the general
population ”
" People with psychiatric disabilities are far more likely to be victims than perpetrators
of violent crime "
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This makes it unanimous
Harvard Study concludes that :
" long term macrocosmic evidence is that gun ownership spread widely
throughout societies consistently correlates with stable or declining
murder rates. Whether causative or not, the consistent international
pattern is that more guns equal less murder and other violent crime."
" high crime nations that ban guns to reduce crime end up having both
high crime and stringent gun laws,"
Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder & Suicide ?
www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf
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" A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject."
— Winston Churchill
Cqn you hear me now , probably not.
www.mysanantonio.com/news/crime/article/Colo-recalls-show-ri...
www.youtube.com/embed/Y0MCNlRJoYg
http://coloradoguncase.org
Meanwhile here in La La Land.
www.youtube.com/embed/_BAm1RMgHD0
" My right is more important than your dead "
www.youtube.com/embed/uamEo4I2qPc
Coming soon to your state courtesy of our New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg.
According the FBI uniform crime statistics for New York state of the 774 murders
committed in 2011 just 5 were by a rifle ( of any description ). If New York state could
somehow capture all rifles now possessed by criminals , confiscate all rifles now legally
owned , ban all future rifle sales , and enforce airport type screening at all points of entry
into the state to keep any rifles from coming in , it may have prevented 5 murders with
a rifle but very doubtful it would have reduced the total 774 less those 5 down to 769
if other means or weapons can be substituted. To all practical intents and purposes and
supposed good , if stupidity is to be a virtue., they may as well also outlaw pressure
cookers and flame throwers too.
It's all about getting people to accept being dehumanized , slowly, ' progressively ' until
there isn't a sentient being remaining anywhere who could possibly even understand
the difference.
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http://www.latimes.com/local/political/la-me-pc-california-j...
Quote :
“ There is simply no reason to continue using lead ammunition in hunting when it poses a significant risk to human health and the environment.”
California's Governor Jerry Brown on Friday signed a bill banning the use of lead bullets by hunters. Bullets made of brass or steel are by their
nature armor piercing so these are also precluded from general use , as are incendiary or explosive variants. This is how subversive gun control has
become. Except if no one funds the government there can't be any enforcement. Tax revolt anyone ?
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Quote: Originally posted by franklyn  | http://www.latimes.com/local/political/la-me-pc-california-j...
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“ There is simply no reason to continue using lead ammunition in hunting when it poses a significant risk to human health and the environment.”
California's Governor Jerry Brown on Friday signed a bill banning the use of lead bullets by hunters. Bullets made of brass or steel are by their
nature armor piercing so these are also precluded from general use , as are incendiary or explosive variants. This is how subversive gun control has
become. Except if no one funds the government there can't be any enforcement. Tax revolt anyone ?
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What about bismuth, or depleted uranium?
Elements Collected:52/87
Latest Acquired: Cl
Next in Line: Nd
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Expert professional analysis
Individual police officers state their concerns on gun policy and law enforcement , covering a broad range of
topics related to the gun control debate in our country. This survey found that the overall attitude of law enforcement is strongly anti-gun
legislation and pro-gun rights , with the understanding that an armed citizenry is effective in stopping crime.
http://www.policeone.com/Gun-Legislation-Law-Enforcement/art...
" Contrary to what the mainstream media and certain politicians would have us believe , police overwhelmingly favor an armed citizenry , would like to
see more guns in the hands of responsible people , and are skeptical of any greater restrictions placed on gun purchase , ownership , or
accessibility."
2013 Gun Policy & Law Enforcement Survey
http://ddq74coujkv1i.cloudfront.net/p1_gunsurveysummary_2013...
Policeone.com is the leading commercial online resource for law enforcement professionals with over 450,000 registrated and verified members.
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From the government's point of view,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cp0I9qLE0VA
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I have no problem with gun ownership, if people like guns I guess it's just like I enjoy fireworks or other hazardous things.
I just don't understand this whole argument about "protecting us against an evil government" BS.
Newsflash: Your government is already evil. Patriot act, PRISM, starting wars to garantee windfall profits for a select few,...
You're being fucked over good by the NRA bought advocates in the government, because while blinding you with the whole gun control debate, the same
representatives are voting other draconian laws which have a far greater impact on your freedom. Good luck with your AR-15 when a SWAT team busts down
your door because you frequented the wrong website.
The NRA doesn't give a shit about your freedoms, they just want you to buy more guns. If some gunsmith invented one single gun that would fullfill the
self defense needs of every US citizen, the NRA would be the first to have it banned.
People in the US want and like guns. They don't need them, otherwise they'd have risen already.
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One shouldn't accept or resort to the mutilation of science to appease the mentally impaired.
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" Of course you know this means war "
- Groucho Marx - from " A Night At the Opera "
The difference between farce and grim determination.
" I ask you: Do you want total war ? If necessary , do you want a war
more total and radical than anything that we can even imagine today ? "
— Joseph Goebbels - 1943
The myth of the invincible omnipotent state is cliche. You need only watch
Triumph of the Will http://youtu.be/GHs2coAzLJ8?t=1h6m16s
till 1.07.35 and flash forward ten years to the battle of Berlin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=592ZXOuG7yE
Criminals are dealt with in kind. http://youtu.be/sUH-xXllByk?t=3m10s
It's the Russian sense of humor to pretend to hang the culprit twice before
completing the deed.
There is no statute of limitations or safe haven.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvennk9Oyw4
The difference between justice done and the pretense of it.
http://www.youtube.com/embed/aNi5256dhvM
Even if it's street justice
http://youtu.be/wghsIzXi0nU?t=1m9s
Despite reprisals
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khX1JYbR1uA
Yes we're trouble , come get some.
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Govt. has a way of making laws to "protect" us, which in turn remove/repeal our liberties. Whether the initial law or executive order has any outward
motive towards something else they usually have a trickle effect on other areas of concern; whether it is budgetary or otherwise. Having the need as
stated above doesn't mean there is an immediate threat, physically. It's an eventuality in this case in the US. Here we are accustomed to being able
to arm ourselves, and that right is of great value to us.
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That video from ireland is pretty interesting
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Stuff they don't want you to know
- continued from above , here _
www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=24336&pag...
Congressional Research Service
www.crs.gov
www.loc.gov/crsinfo/
All of the following links , some from your own government and others from interested institutions
provide the very same paper
RL32842 - Gun Control Legislation
https://opencrs.com/document/RL32842/2012-11-14/download/100...
http://www.fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/156521.pdf
http://wlstorage.net/file/crs/RL32842.pdf
http://stuff.mit.edu/afs/sipb/contrib/wikileaks-crs/wikileak...
• According to the report , the " firearm-related murder and non-negligent homicide " rate was 6.6 per 100,000 Americans in 1993.
• Following the exponential growth in the number of guns , that rate fell to 3.6 per 100,000 in 2000.
• The rate rose briefly in 2004 and 2005 to 3.9 in 2006 and 2007, then resumed falling in 2008. ( see page 9 )
That year the Supreme Court ruled in District of Columbia v. Heller that individual firearm possession is Constitutionally protected — particularly
for self-defense.
• The figure has continued to fall to 3.2 per 100,000 by 2011.
In other words, as the number of firearms almost doubled over a nearly 20-year period , the
" firearm-related murder and non-negligent homicide " rate has more than halved !
Additionally, the overall murder rate has dropped from 9.0 per 100,000 in 1994 , to 4.7 in 2011.
The overall number of estimated murder victims fell from 23,326 in 1994 , to 14,612 in 2011.
For estimated firearms-related murder victims , those numbers are 16,333 in 1994 down to 9,903 in 2011.
The firearm category that led the way from 1994 through 2009 was the most concealable of gun types - handguns !
After all the gun control grandstanding and propagandizing on how easy availability of guns drives up crime ,
the CRS report shows that more guns — especially more concealable guns — has actually correlated with less crime.
Truth stands the test of time. The above parallels observations made by President Calvin Coolidge
on the Declaration of Independence here _
( In Detritus , of course , where else )
www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=26105#pid2999...
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Side bar :
The same people that want your guns , want to spend your money on ' climate change '.
Please don't post your rants in this thread , save them to post them to this other thread
here instead , where they rightly belong _
www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=26429#pid3042...
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| Quote: | <strong><a href="forumdisplay.php?fid=19">Legal and Societal Issues</a></strong>
Regulatory and social issues affecting scientific hobbyists. |
Firearms regulation does not directly
relate to scientific hobbies. So now you're trying to recruit
others to spam on your behalf? Intolerable.
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