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Quote: Originally posted by G-Coupled  | Was the crushed powder active at all when ingested? I wonder what it could've been?
Are all GC/MS analyses created equal? I don't mean screwing up the procedure (although I'm sure that happens plenty), more like do all the devices
produce pretty much the same data given a particular sample?
Are the different models of GC/MS significantly different from one another? Do we know which machines Energy Control might be using?
[Edited on 26-1-2020 by G-Coupled] |
My meh MDMA was active but in the 200-300 mg sadly. I have no idea if all GC/MS is equal BUT it seems most if not all labs have been missing something
with GC/MS probably peaks overlapping. Sadly my knowledge is is routes not analytics
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Updated Meh batch1 NMR.
The product was ran thru a silica column and is now more in line with product magic. I have no idea the yield/loss. This was the TLC uv product I
talked about earlier.
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Yep, that looks like reasonably pure MDMA. Surprise, surprise: apparently subjecting an impure product to a purification procedure yields a purer
product.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Texium (zts16) | | Yep, that looks like reasonably pure MDMA. Surprise, surprise: apparently subjecting an impure product to a purification procedure yields a purer
product. |
You will not laugh!
You will not cry!
You will purify your products!
This is my chromatography column
There are many like it, but this one is mine.
It is my life.
I must master it, as I must master my life.
Without me, my column is useless.
Without my column, I am useless.
This is my column, this is my gun.
This is for purification, this is for fun.
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So you guys use improperly purified product and then wonder why it is not acting as expected?
What can I say except, this is a cookery attitude, not chemistry.
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| Quote: Originally posted by karlos³ | So you guys use improperly purified product and then wonder why it is not acting as expected?
What can I say except, this is a cookery attitude, not chemistry. |
Considering how 90%ish of the market is impure shit... It is much more then just my product... WHich is the cookery attitude of the majority of the
markets. It seems even thou our product was QUITE pure from the NMR guy testing it... We are talking about something that maybe mg active prevent the
reaction/bioavailability of MDMA. Multiple acetone washes were done before the product was handed to me originally.
WE are sending the fraction to NMR but we aren't sure if we will find anything interesting. AT least this is what NMR guy thinks. Possibly a metal who
knows
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But you're among chemists here, we don't use such crappy products with only 90%.
Was it even vacuum distilled, it sounds like it wasn't?
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Acetone washed, wow, it was not even recrystallised?
Do you know how recrystallised MDMA has to look like?
I attached a picture.
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Just washed with acetone... Yes, so you got rid of everything that is not an amine. Congratulations.
What would be interesting is getting an GCMS or NMR, or both on the fractions that aren't MDMA. Why don't you do this? You did a column chromatography
right?
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| Quote: Originally posted by Tsjerk | Just washed with acetone... Yes, so you got rid of everything that is not an amine. Congratulations.
What would be interesting is getting an GCMS or NMR, or both on the fractions that aren't MDMA. Why don't you do this? You did a column chromatography
right? |
We are doing this right now don't worry 
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Using NMR to find out what's wrong with a product you didn't re-crystallize is like using a CAT scan to find out why hitting your TV really hard
didn't fix it.
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| Quote: Originally posted by SWIM | Using NMR to find out what's wrong with a product you didn't re-crystallize is like using a CAT scan to find out why hitting your TV really hard
didn't fix it.
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To be fair we believe this is the common issue with mass produced MDMA. But we didn't realize such small impurities could have such drastic effects,
even the guy running the NMR is unsure if we will detect anything but he will give it a shot when he has time.
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| Quote: Originally posted by pastor | | Quote: Originally posted by SWIM | Using NMR to find out what's wrong with a product you didn't re-crystallize is like using a CAT scan to find out why hitting your TV really hard
didn't fix it.
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To be fair we believe this is the common issue with mass produced MDMA. But we didn't realize such small impurities could have such drastic effects,
even the guy running the NMR is unsure if we will detect anything but he will give it a shot when he has time.
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If you have done your column chromatography correctly you can characterize any impurity. Just concentrate the fractions you expect your impurity to be
in. You only need a couple milligrams for either NMR or GCMS. I would go for GCMS..
If you can't you have to redesign your column chromatography. Longer column, different solvents, more gradual slope of concentrations...
NMR is nice, really nice, but only to see if something is there or not. If you don't see a peak? No, it is not there. If you do see a peak? Yes, those
atoms are there! But when you are getting peaks you can't explain? Then you have to go to GCMS for example.
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It is time to add something new and interesting in this thread and to increase its level. Keep in mind that this is a thread on material upon which
many people frown. So, only if you really have to add something interesting from a chemical point of view, add this. Complaining about meh quality of
MDMA does not add anything new.
Up to now I have not seen much more than the shocking conclusion that purification of a product leads to a purer product.  Maybe that is the maximum level people can attain when using MDMA ??? 
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| Quote: Originally posted by karlos³ | So you guys use improperly purified product and then wonder why it is not acting as expected?
What can I say except, this is a cookery attitude, not chemistry. |
all of this seems half assed cookery, right down to the language.
Garbage in garbage out, and frankly even taking an aspirin carries risk.
Simple if you want to enjoy life don't fuck with your bodies chemical systems by dumping crap in it that will screw with the natural balance unless
demonstrable need is shown. Poof Harm has now been reduced!
[Edited on 28-1-2020 by XeonTheMGPony]
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Just what i've been saying all along. This isn't about some heroic mission, this is about finding out why your product sucks and — suprise!
—it's because you're a shitty chemist.
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| Quote: Originally posted by XeonTheMGPony | | Quote: Originally posted by karlos³ | So you guys use improperly purified product and then wonder why it is not acting as expected?
What can I say except, this is a cookery attitude, not chemistry. |
all of this seems half assed cookery, right down to the language.
Garbage in garbage out, and frankly even taking an aspirin carries risk.
Simple if you want to enjoy life don't fuck with your bodies chemical systems by dumping crap in it that will screw with the natural balance unless
demonstrable need is shown. Poof Harm has now been reduced!
[Edited on 28-1-2020 by XeonTheMGPony] |
Stunning summation!
And on that clear note, I think we can safely say that this thread is done.
Message me if you must. But you will have to convince me that there is something significant to discover from this quagmire before I open it again.
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