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Ref: Rhodium's articles
Here is on other of those files needed fromthe rhodium's archive.....solo
Attachment: technical informationon hard get capsules.pdf (8kB)
This file has been downloaded 1835 times
It's better to die on your feet, than live on your knees....Emiliano Zapata.
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runlabrun
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site down time
Lithenal had reported for several days via banner and forum sticky that the hive would be down for several days to several weeks while they work out
server issues.
This applies to both rhodium.ws and the-hive.ws
I dont know what "server issues" they were talking about but i assume either .ws dumped them or they are doing some major code work on the
forum.
However... Lithenal assured all members that the hive and rhodium site data would be maintained and not lost in the process.
So its just a waiting game, the people at .ws have gotten the shits i presume with the people emailing in to ask about the domain according to the new
message that appears when you attempt the original domains.
Waiting games suck.
-rlr
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Organikum
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bees without HIVE at
http://forums.lycaeum.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_top...
Seems to be problems with *HOST REMOVED BY POLVERONE* though.
[Edited on 1-7-2005 by Polverone]
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UpNatom
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Hyperlab
Some (all?) hyperlab pages are cached on googles servers. They can all be found using the search string hyperlab site:rhodium.ws (I
was going to post the URl but it won't display coorectly.)
How long does google store cached pages?
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BromicAcid
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Google stores cache's quite some time, one of my web pages that was forcibly removed is still found on a google search and it's been down
for 3 months.
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Most recent message
Visited www.the-hive.ws once more today and this is what I got:
"Any services which used to be at this IP is relocating to another hosting provider. We have no further information. Please do not write us about
it. Thanks!"
Doesn't sound so bad.
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Vitus_Verdegast
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ah so!
Let's hope they have it up and running again before the new year 
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Blind Angel
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nice to know that some members of the-hive came here to wait!
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acx01b
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is that a cool link
is it a cool link ?
http://web.archive.org/web/20040216202638/www.rhodium.ws/che...
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Vitus_Verdegast
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the nicest place to wait
>>"nice to know that some members of the-hive came here to wait! "
This place is the next-best-thing when it comes to chemistry. One cannot seriously call that other place where all the stimulant forum tweakers now
reside a 'chemistry forum' 
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trilobite
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I disagree. The Hive has a different culture, but it certainly has it's sides. Think of the literature (article) collections and the numerous
little-known synthetical methods people on that forum have unearthed during the years. There are often questions asked in scimad that have been
answered and discussed well in the Hive, of which I can mention the ethyl iodide thread here where I gave a link to a method of MeI production with
only MeOH/H2SO4/iodide salt. I like the board software too.
Myself, I'd prefer if the Hive was a bit more like scimad and there were less of the tweakers you mentioned. The two boards complement each other
quite well.
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HRH_Prince_Charles
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I think VV was referring to 'the other place', not The Hive.
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Vitus_Verdegast
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disagree with what?
Maybe it is the language barrier, but I agree completely with what you've stated. Personally I'd like to see less tweakers on the Hive too
(which is hard when you know they represent ~70% of the bee population), as we know they frequently tend to escape their confined territory and
clutter the chemistry fora with mindless drivels.. 
Although these aforementioned tweakers have brought me many good laughs in the past, I especially love the Hive for it's other, dedicated 30%,
for the huge archives of literature collections and experiments you've mentioned.
When I first came to Scimadness, I noticed immediately a difference in experimental approaches here, more particularly many things that would be rated
'dangerous' at the Hive such as pressurised, high temperature and
gas-phase reactions being carried out at home using mcgyver'ed equipment. For example I had great pleasure when reading the posts on making
alkali metals using thermite-type reactions, or when Polverone was sniffing HCN 
Although you are right in stating that some of the questions asked repeatedly here have been discussed ad nauseum at the Hive, vice versa there is
certainly some kind of crude but practical, 19th century approach which is often seen here and perhaps also at the Russian hyperlab that is very
appealing to me and less frequently encountered at the hive, but which represents to me the true chemistry experimentalist's spirit.
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HRH_Prince_Charles
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Polverone huffing HCN is one thing but I'd be a little anxious if I thought the boy next door was making VX nerve agent in his shed.
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Polverone
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All things in moderation, right? I once posted my high-temperature alkali cyanide production procedure on the Hive, and was surprised to see it marked
"dangerous." It did not involve production of any HCN, and unlike the procedure given on Rhodium's web page, it actually worked. I
don't understand the metrics used to rate something dangerous. Procedures that call for LAH or BBr3 don't get marked dangerous, and
it's easier to handle NaCN safely than either of those.
Maybe cyanides appear in so many murder mysteries that everyone knows they must be more dangerous than benzoyl peroxide or mercuric chloride.
Or maybe it was the high-temperature aspects that got it marked dangerous. For the most part Bees do seem wary of procedures that go hotter than 300 C
or thereabouts.
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Blind Angel
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| Quote: | Originally posted by HRH_Prince_Charles
Polverone huffing HCN is one thing but I'd be a little anxious if I thought the boy next door was making VX nerve agent in his shed.
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Maybe you should do a quick search and read some Samosa post
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Vitus_Verdegast
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I agree
It's the same chemopanic one encounters everywhere. For example, at a certain European lab they make no fuss at all about alphabetically storing
chemicals in the same closet, including bottles of sodium azide next to old bottles of various mercuric salts that were clearly sublimating out of the
bottle and collecting outside at the bottom of the cap, nor do they make much fuss about handling these substances, but when I cautiously waved the
fumes of an old 2% aq. NaCN bottle my way to check if I was able to smell the typical bitter almond odor (I am ) they go ape on me. Any chemist should know if (s)he is able to smell HCN or not, if ever (s)he comes in an emergency
situation, but of course they would not listen to reason.. 
Although you make a good point, I think they assume it very hard for a tweeker to even safely order some LAH, while killing himself by making cyanides
OTC is very well within the realm of possibilities. Maybe that could be why the process on Rh's doesn't work as presented? Although somehow
I would doubt that myself..
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Polverone
All things in moderation, right? I once posted my high-temperature alkali cyanide production procedure on the Hive, and was surprised to see it marked
"dangerous." It did not involve production of any HCN, and unlike the procedure given on Rhodium's web page, it actually worked. I
don't understand the metrics used to rate something dangerous. Procedures that call for LAH or BBr3 don't get marked dangerous, and
it's easier to handle NaCN safely than either of those.
Maybe cyanides appear in so many murder mysteries that everyone knows they must be more dangerous than benzoyl peroxide or mercuric chloride.
Or maybe it was the high-temperature aspects that got it marked dangerous. For the most part Bees do seem wary of procedures that go hotter than 300 C
or thereabouts. |
I agree with your comments of rating at the hive. It is some real stupidity from time to time. There is of course useful information getting rated
accordingly, but some posts that are pure crap are rated as excellent and some great posts are unrated or rated like in your case as dangerous. Does
anyone care about the impurities police has found in ecstacy pills sized in Brittish Colombia? If so, search for rated as excellent posts in Serious
Chemistry.
Chemistry-wise I find sciencemadness much more OTC oriented, not too much bullshit that a kitchen chemist can't reproduce. The simpler the
better. In russian hyperlab there is some real oldschool chemistry to be found in its brilliant simplicity of the 19 century.
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HRH_Prince_Charles
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I'd rather converse with a Hive tweaker than most of the droids I deal with in daily life. Besides that, the Hive moderation creates a haven for
free-thinking people. Overall, it is a good bunch of intelligent people: a mix of spods, misfits, wackos and boffins. I miss it.
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trilobite
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Yes, I made a mistake, so there's no disagreement!
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acx01b
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nobody saw my post ?
what happened to rhodium and thehive ?
there is the answer for rhodium:
http://web.archive.org/web/20040216202638/www.rhodium.ws/che...
thehive exists on web.archive but there is nearly nothing, only 0.1% of the site, and no posts
[Edited on 10-12-2004 by acx01b]
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Organikum
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The tweakers place Vitus is referring to is
http://www.wetdreams.ws
Registration is necessary to access forums.
Its a good place for all who are mainly interested in producing a certain stimulant without fussing around with chemistry.
Its also the probably best place for information on the BIRCH on the net.
Its not a chemistry board.
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Sergei_Eisenstein
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| Quote: | | Originally posted by Vitus_VerdegastAlthough you are right in stating that some of the questions asked repeatedly here have been discussed ad
nauseum at the Hive, vice versa there is certainly some kind of crude but practical, 19th century approach which is often seen here and perhaps also
at the Russian hyperlab that is very appealing to me and less frequently encountered at the hive, but which represents to me the true chemistry
experimentalist's spirit. |
We, Rrrrrrrussians, have a certain way of adding the necessary amount of drama in handling flasks and beakers.
Those tweakers indeed are quite something. And they all think they're going to win a Nobel prize with their newest GAKKinator xtraction pill HCI
fluxing tube.
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The Hive Needs YOU!
This update on the Hive situation was posted by antoncho on behigh.org a few days ago:
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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 09:57:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: update of current situation
Hi!
I thought I'd write to you all, not only to create a nice, fuzzy community- face
feeling, but also to provide the same information for everybody at the same
time.
First of all, when currently trying to access our site you May have seen the
error message displayed, which have been set up by our former web host. They
have explained that this was neccessary due to them being swamped by emails
asking about the site's whereabouts and because quite a lot of these emails
ended up in the mailboxes of people who shouldn't know that the site was even
there.
Our current situation is that we have a well thought-out plan to get our server
back online, but, it is not yet possible to set the dates when we can put it
into practice.
It has come to my knowledge that several of our panicking members have made
offers to host the site. However well intended, these offers are not of interest
since that would mean going back to a lessened control of our server. What we do
need is donations to cover the hardware costs of a professional server. In
addition, donations would probably help speeding up the timeline as well.
Evidently, someone has put a mirror at this location, which is nice if it comes
to any use for those who need it:
http://rhodium.moppy.net
Have you heard what phantastic rumours have begun flourishing around the world
becuse of our downtime? Here is one example:
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From: brian (brian_.keith1963@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: rhodium, rhodium, o wherefore art thou, rhodium?
Newsgroups: alt.drugs.chemistry
Date: 2004-11-30 09:06:43 PST
They're not coming back. The federal program initiated from within the DEA has
lost funding for this somewhat contoversial program. It was designed to keep
internet drugs manufacturing information in one place so as to monitor and
control it as much as possible.
Go to WorldLingo End of
Translation Translate text after this point
Some people felt that they were allowing too
much information to be passed along to users who's IP's couldn't be traced.
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If anyone of you wishes to have all their incoming mail encrypted, don't forget
to send your PGP-key to my mailbox (something that is good to have anyhow,
should I ever need to send something of sensitive character).
Take care, everybody!
And enjoy your "holiday".
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And Antonchos follow-up post:
| Quote: | Briefly, about which it here writes FraktalFlauer (Rodiyevskaya girl friend, if che):
1. Everything in the order, but is unknown as soon.
2. Money necessary.
3. The archive of rhodium lies according to the reference cm. it is above.
Apropos of denekkk. If someone desires to help, on/a can write either straight Fraktal or to me (4 it will transmit).
So that this.... the very.... on the whole, here.
Antoncho |
[Edited on 12-21-2004 by Polverone]
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This may be out of the admin mind, but maybe we could put a banner for a month or two somewhere on the site (not too evident though) with the some of
the money going to The Hive Foundation (I do not encourage publicity on this website though, since it's perfect like it is, but it may not be a
bad idea if it's only for a small amount of time)
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