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Forgive me' I've been up 20 hours straight so far and I was working with what I could pull together lol
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Only for information, was tested TACP in crystallisation process 1:1 with guanidine nitrate. Result are crystals (blue) without detonatable
properties.
Also was tested nitroguanidine in a same process. Result are difficulty fibre -
filling energetic material, which has detonatable properties. However about 30% weakly, than pure TACP. And about 40% weakly than CuHP in same others
conditions.... ...LL
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Quote: Originally posted by Laboratory of Liptakov  | Only for information, was tested TACP in crystallisation process 1:1 with guanidine nitrate. Result are crystals (blue) without detonatable
properties.
Also was tested nitroguanidine in a same process. Result are difficulty fibre -
filling energetic material, which has detonatable properties. However about 30% weakly, than pure TACP. And about 40% weakly than CuHP in same others
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Try with guanidine perchlorate (GP) instead of GN and NQ and all your problems will be resolved...    
Guanidine perchlorate is a powerful and sensitive HE...
(H2N)2C=NH.HClO4 --> HCl(g) + CO2(g) + 2 H2O(g) + 1/2 H2(g)
Same must be true with guanidine-copper (II) perchlorate...
Cu((H2N)2C=NH)2(ClO4)2 (bis-guanidino-copper perchlorates BGCuP...
BGCuP must be better performing than TACuP and equally or better than HCuP...
Introduce guanidine or guanidine hydrate into a solution of Cu(ClO4)2...if the complex doesn't precipitate on its own...add cold ethanol and
eventually ether (diethyl-ether)...
NQ (nitroguanidine) may be used as its salt...
H2N-C(=NH)-NH-NO2 + NaOH --> H2N-C(=NH)-N(NO2)Na + H2O
Copper nitroguanidinate must me a primary or D2D compound...
H2N-C(=NH)-N(NO2)Na (aq) + CuSO4 (aq)--> Cu(N(NO2)-C(=NH)-NH2)2 (s) + Na2SO4 (aq)
Aminonitroguanidine (H2N-NH-C(=NH)-NH-NO2) must be interesting compound for complexation of Cu perchlorate or as its perchlorate; nitroformiate or
nitrate salts admixed with TACuP or HCuP...
==> Cu(ANG)2(ClO4)2, Cu(ANG)3(ClO4)2 or Cu(ANG)4(ClO4)2
==> ANG.HNO3, ANG.HClO4, ANG.HC(NO2)3; the first is a very powerful HE...no doubt the perchlorate will be even better and the nitroformiate arround
the perchlorate.
Would be nice to test nitroformiate as anion with copper and related complexes
TACuNF (Cu(NH3)4(C(NO2)3)2)
HCuNF
BGCuNF
MANGCuNF, BANGCuNF or TANGCuNF (if mono, bis or tetra complexes)
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I am only soldier on chemical field. I have only guanidine nitrate and nitroguanidine. I do not know, how from this making guanidine perchlorate. Of
course, that I have NH4ClO4 and TACP. Your brilant a huge source and all options are for my almost incomprehensible. So much equation. But I know,
that making aminoguanidine carbonate is pretty difficult from nitroguanidine. Thus, how to make guanidine perchlorate from entire description is for
me incomprehensible. Any way, thanks for all..............LL
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| Quote: Originally posted by Laboratory of Liptakov | | I am only soldier on chemical field. I have only guanidine nitrate and nitroguanidine. I do not know, how from this making guanidine perchlorate. Of
course, that I have NH4ClO4 and TACP. Your brilant a huge source and all options are for my almost incomprehensible. So much equation. But I know,
that making aminoguanidine carbonate is pretty difficult from nitroguanidine. Thus, how to make guanidine perchlorate from entire description is for
me incomprehensible. Any way, thanks for all..............LL
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Yes sorry...a lot of chemistry...but hard to speak about this without equations...
Guanidine perchlorate is very very soluble into water and hard to dehydrate...
It can be made from:
Guanidine chloride + sodium perchlorate --> NaCl + GP
This means that solubility of Guanidine Perchlorate > Guanidine Chloride /Sodium Perchlorate > Sodium Chloride.
It can be made alternatively from:
Guanidine carbonate / NH4ClO4 --mild heating --> GP + CO2(g) + NH3(g)
Guanidine carbonate / HClO4 --> GP + H2O + CO2(g)
Guanidine carbonate + Cu(ClO4)2 --> CuCO3(s) + GP (precipitation of CuCO3)
Guanidine / HClO4 --> GP + H2O
Guanidine / NH4ClO4 --> GP + NH3(g)
How to make guanidine...
Guanidine nitrate + KOH --> KNO3(s) + Guanidine (hydrate/hydroxide)
Guanidine nitrate + NaOH --ethanol--> NaNO3(s) + Guanidine
Guanidine nitrate + dilluted H2SO4 --heat/vaccuum distill--> Guanidine sulfate + HNO3 (g)
Guanidine sulfate + Ba(OH)2 or Ca(OH)2 --> Guanidine + BaSO4 or CaSO4 precipitate.
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1) Well, from entire is easy Guanidine nitrate + NaOH --------in ethanol--------NaNO3 (will soluble in ethanol ) + Guanidine will precipitate in
ethanol ? Pure Guanidine is unstable I mean. OK, can stay as precipitat in ethanol 2x washing.
2) Guanidine as porridge in ethanol mixing with NH4ClO4. Heating on 78 C and try, what happends.
3) Guanidine as porridge in ethanol mixing with NH4ClO4. Mixing ethanol with water 1:1 and heated on 80 C and waiting what happends.
4) .....If happend nothing, All pour into toilet...................LL
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| Quote: Originally posted by Laboratory of Liptakov | 1) Well, from entire is easy Guanidine nitrate + NaOH --------in ethanol--------NaNO3 (will soluble in ethanol ) + Guanidine will precipitate in
ethanol ? Pure Guanidine is unstable I mean. OK, can stay as precipitat in ethanol 2x washing.
2) Guanidine as porridge in ethanol mixing with NH4ClO4. Heating on 78 C and try, what happends.
3) Guanidine as porridge in ethanol mixing with NH4ClO4. Mixing ethanol with water 1:1 and heated on 80 C and waiting what happends.
4) .....If happend nothing, All pour into toilet...................LL
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Guanidine is soluble into ethanol just like NaOH while NaNO3 must be relatively unsoluble....sole unknown is solubility of guanidine nitrate...but if
it is not soluble into ethanol...one may start into water...
1°) NaOH + Guanidine nitrate into minimum water quantity at ambiant T°--> NaNO3 + guanidine hydrate
Maybe NaNO3 will already start to precipitate.
2°) Add Ethanol to precipitate even more NaNO3
Procedure will work better with KOH since KNO3 is much less soluble into water and ethanol than NaNO3 .
Take the solid away by filtration and wash with a little cold ethanol.
You thus have a guanidine hydrate solution into water/ethanol...
==> that you can use to complexate Cu(ClO4)2...or other complexing metal salts (nitrate, chlorate, iodate, bromate, perchlorate, nitroformiate,
nitramide, dinitramide,...of Cu, Co, Cd, Zn, Fe, Ni, Cr, ....)
==> that you can exchange ligand with Cu(NH3)4(ClO4)2 (TACuP)...
Guanidine is a stronger base than NH3 and it is less volatile so NH3 will be kicked off the solution and off the complex and be replaced by
guanidine...
Good venting is needed for the NH3 (or allow to flow into an acid containing recipient to recover the NH3...HNO3? --> NH4NO3) or recycle into
another TACuP process
==> that you can allow to react with an ammonium salt to displace NH3....
NH4ClO4 will provide Guanidine perchlorate and NH3 gas...
If heating is done...better stay onto the low heat...
I have had deliquescent moist hydrazine perchlorate (200 mg)(what must be quite similar to GP) detonating onto a thick stainless steel dessert spoon
while heating it onto a mild cooking flame...the spoon had a notch onto the side and was twisted into a loop (I was holding it) but the shock was so
strong I couldn't hold it and it lifted into the air spinning at high speed...of course ears ringing, flame blown off. ...that was younger time fun...hopefully without damages other than the spoon
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Huhaha...200mg destroyed the spoon ? In hands ? Flying spoon? Twisted into the loop ? Fantastic attempt. I consider a great Hero. If you survived with
all parts ./.
Well, is time for try something from description.....God with us............LL
Thanks for all....
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This thread makes me want to spend time around the vitamin shelf
Thinking of combinations with other amino acids
Also for glycine
Technical grade glycine is sold for use in industrial applications; e.g., as an agent in metal complexing and finishing.
Glycine
GABA
Lysine
Serine
The essential amino acids are histidine, isoleucine, leucine, lysine, methionine, phenylalanine, threonine, tryptophan, and valine
In contrast, non-proteinogenic amino acids are amino acids that are either not incorporated into proteins (like GABA, L-DOPA, or triiodothyronine)
Maybe a amino acid that has a close stucture as glycine
Could make other double salts or complexes
Complex salts of nickel and copper lysine perchlorate was attempted no percipitation
potential semiorganic material was synthesized from the amino family, and single crystals of l-leucinium perchlorate (LLPCl) were grown by slow
solvent evaporation at room temperature. From single-crystal XRD, it was found that LLPCl crystallizes in a monoclinic system.
recently synthesized iodates of arginine and lysine,
The paywall wont let me read it
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Perchlorates with metal and organic amines are a large way. Huge the tree with a lot a branches and hundreds of flowers, inflorescences. And some from
them are great a new energetics materials, which waiting on self own the discovery........LL
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| Quote: Originally posted by Laboratory of Liptakov | | Perchlorates with metal and organic amines are a large way. Huge the tree with a lot a branches and hundreds of flowers, inflorescences. And some from
them are great a new energetics materials, which waiting on self own the discovery........LL |
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I seems, that Copper guanidine nitrate is possible transformed directly on Copper guanidine perchlorate. Results from detonators, respectively from
output segments, show on better results, than Copper hexamine perchlorate. Pure ETN is of course slightly better. However, if anyone hasn´t hexamine
and HNO3, is it good way, how making something, what will works. NH4ClO4 is condition always. Also is researched nitroguanidine, also he show a
interesting properties. Entire is it only a start of research of the filed of the copper perchlorates, with the guanidine. Unfortunately this
substance require yet classic primary 300mg charge. Against CuHP, which works always in solid cavity as mono material.
Details will describe later.........LL
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| Quote: Originally posted by Laboratory of Liptakov | I seems, that Copper guanidine nitrate is possible transformed directly on Copper guanidine perchlorate. Results from detonators, respectively from
output segments, show on better results, than Copper hexamine perchlorate. Pure ETN is of course slightly better. However, if anyone hasn´t hexamine
and HNO3, is it good way, how making something, what will works. NH4ClO4 is condition always. Also is researched nitroguanidine, also he show a
interesting properties. Entire is it only a start of research of the filed of the copper perchlorates, with the guanidine. Unfortunately this
substance require yet classic primary 300mg charge. Against CuHP, which works always in solid cavity as mono material.
Details will describe later.........LL
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Nice first results...thank you for the infos ...
That was fast...only 2 days...we write, you read, you understand, you design experiment, you experiment and already results ...Hat down...bravo.
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Hexamine Nickel perchlorate burns like black powder Copper hexmethyltetramine perchlorate burns some where in the middle of flash powder and black
powder copper guanidine perchlorate sounds interesting seems like it is not as reactive and needs a boosted from what I understand a simple flame wont
ignite it same with guanidine nitrate ammonium nitrate and hexamine nitrate which burns as the only. One would think because it has a fuel and a
oxidizer it would be flammable and burn
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Results well, thanks for the Hat....:-).....Relevant results require a lot attempts. Important is testing in solid cavity behind a same conditions.
Thus for example, output segment by standard conditions (For ETN 500mg Hi pressed) give diameter hole ( into 2mm steel plate) 8,2 mm with a short and
pretty sharpnes edges.
It is reference hole for comparation. Guanidine or hexamine "salts" give diameter 7,2 mm. Well, if is all right. Sometimes is hole from guanidine
"salts" only 5,2. But it same pay for hexamine " salt". Thus according last attempts, are results not clear, what is own better. However,
Nitroguanidine is possible mixed with TACP under ethanol for example in ratio NG 25 /TACP 75 and this, relatively heterogenous (fibrous) mix has D2D
properties. And better output parameters than pure TACP. But worse than CuHP. Behind absence hexamine, is thus possible experimentation with salts
on guanidine base. But if someone can prepared guanidine nitrate (nitroguanidine) so also can relatively easy preparation also hexamine. According
all, is hexamine - TACP still better than guanidine - TACP. Aminoguanidine was not try, also same glycine. Of course, almost all, what is reactive
fuel, can be mixed in stechiometry with TACP and results will almost always better, than pure TACP. But basic conditions are testing in solid cavity,
not burning on air only. Burning test (at this compounds) showe nothing about they detonation parameters.....Dr.
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True...ignition and flame propagation in the open is only one aspect of the properties of a compound...
The effect of ignition under confinement (multiple aluminium foil layers or detonator casing) will reveal deflagration or even detonation power...
Typical examples are:
-nitrocellulose...what burns a bit like black powder in the open but deflagrates or detonates once confined...
-Nickel hydrazine nitrato complex (NiHN) what burns fiercely into the open but deflagrates or detonates strongly once confined a little...
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Last tests show, that Tetraamine copper perchlorate with hexamine gived best results as D2D mixture against mixtures with guanidine nitrate or
nitroguanidine. Therefore is in vain here explained entire variants, what all was tested with guanidine - TACP. Yet, that on air his mixtures show
pretty fast burning, more fast than CuHP. In solid cavity are his properties always weaked, than any mixtures TACP - hexamine. Therefore I here
describe basic preparation CuHP, respectively Tetraamine copper perchlorate - hexamine clathrate.
10g TACP + 10g hexamine is dissolved in 50g ammonia water 25%. (Ammonium hydroxide 25% in aq.) In closure jar is temperature increase on point of
boiling to dissolving both compounds. Or behind use reflux cooler without any cover cap. Instantly after dissolving stop heating. Cooling should by
take of about 3 hours from +60 C to - 5C.
Important: For separation crystalls is impossible use paper filter, which is destroyed during a few seconds. Solution is Schweizer reagent and
decompose all organics materials. You use Buchner or very fine stainless sieve of eyes 0,1 - 0,05 mm. Or synthetic the cloth.
Yields should by 10g CuHP. Water filtrate is possible recycled on hexamine, NH4ClO4 and CuO. Solution simply boiled to dry. All compounds is
possible use directly with next charges, respectively dry mix is counting and insert as hexamine 7-9g. Small amount AP + CuO is not necessary
re-counting. Thus, for next charge is added only 1g pure hexamine, 9g old, and 10g TACP. Evaporate on glass, ceramic, not on stainless plate, which is
reactive during hard drying process. Thats is basic preparation. All values are not critical. Is possible use A. hydroxide only 10%, and only of 30 -
60g. ON basic 10g TACP is possible insert only 5g hexamine. TACP takes hexamine always into own crystalls almost in same concentration. Any way, any
ratios, results are always great. Is even possible making mix so, what you take simply 4,3g TACP (all fine powder), add 0,3g AP, add 0,3 hexamine,
pour on it a few drops of ammonia water to consistency the porridge. 1 minute mixing by the spoon. This mix is pour - insert on stainless plate and by
80 Celsius evaporated. Smell it entire as hell and coyote together, but on plate in basically run process super fast recrystallisation. From porridge
is almost instantly transparent blue water, (principle recrystal) and after 3 minute of course dry crystalls. Is it very fast, dangerous, but results
are best. Also here is values not critical. Is possible added only 0,2 - 0,4 hexamine without AP.
However described method 4,3 +0,3 + 0,3 show best properties.......Dr
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copper glycine perchlorate
For Cu (GLY) ClO4 is possible use same method as for here is described Cu(HEX) ClO4 ? Thus 10g TACP + 10g glycine heated 60C in NH4OH 24% ? For
example in 50g ammonia water? Cooling on - 5C and separe crystals ? Thanks for any reply...
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| Quote: Originally posted by Laboratory of Liptakov | | For Cu (GLY) ClO4 is possible use same method as for here is described Cu(HEX) ClO4 ? Thus 10g TACP + 10g glycine heated 60C in NH4OH 24% ? For
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There was a reply in the NPED thread
http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=24817&...
If what I believe is likely will happen does happen, perchlorate will displace nitrate and the amines will displace ammonium to some extent ....and
what is the equilibrium there I am not sure.
A shared or mixed "ammonia value" complex is possible, where half of the coordination with copper is one "ammonia value" amine compound and the other
half is coordinated with a different "ammonia value"amine compound.
For example methylamine will replace and displace 2 of the 4 ammoniums, and perchlorate will displace the nitrate for a precursor, and these are
probably solubility driven reactions.
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copper glycine perchlorate
Thank you. Yes, I know. I've studied all 5 the links from the recommended link, before a some days. But I did not find the answer. However, Thank you
for explaining NH Group's behavior.........LL
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I should have posted these links before
http://tetrazolelover.at.ua/index/energeticke_zluceniny_kyse...
translate
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&...
https://books.google.com/books?id=Tt8JAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA152&...
http://www.hoboes.com/pub/Prohibition/Drug%20Information/Mis...
http://www.orgsyn.org/demo.aspx?prep=CV1P0531
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Thanks for all, Rosco......
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