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It does appear to be as you say Magpie.
Just a school kid making fireworks.
They will no doubt charge the crap out of him for all their "hard work". Perhaps ruin his future, and feed his G ma to the alligators, but it's all
good.
I'm seriously curious about one aspect of this... How much do you think it cost us (taxpayers) to keep all those alphabet fellas in coffee, and
doughnuts for the past three days? 20-30k?
They tried to have me "put to sleep" so I came back to return the favor.
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Quote: Originally posted by Zombie  |
if anyone want to sneak peak at where the world is headed...
http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n2265.cfm
NEWS BRIEF: "Hillary Clinton: A Bilderberg Presidency: European elite back Democratic frontrunner", By Daniel Taylor, Old Thinker News, November 10,
2007
"While President Bush's approval rating falls to record lows, the torch is being prepared to pass on to Hillary Clinton, with full endorsement from
the global elite. With support from European nobility, Clinton has been selected as the candidate of choice for the continuation of globalist
policies. Bill Clinton, being a member of the Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, as well as the secretive Bilderberg group, was the
creme de la creme establishment candidate. His wife, Hillary, who likely attended the 2006 Bilderberg conference in Ottawa Canada, now promises to
follow in his path."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mYW5nmS9ps
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Please tell me you're joking by putting this up here, right? Pleaeaeaease????    
Apart from the fact that it's old hat (2007)...
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Zombie
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That's my point in posting it.
She's been groomed for the position.
Hillary has more legal indiscretions than anyone else I can compare to in office. Yet... She will be the next US president.
You fellas in Europe better pull up the draw bridges, and fill the motes with alligators. She won't be happy with just the US. She wants global
control.
They tried to have me "put to sleep" so I came back to return the favor.
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Damn! I used to live 10 miles from Newport News! I did most of my home chemistry in Virginia Beach, and nobody ever gave me a hard time. Never did
anything too bad or too hardcore though.
At the end of the day, simulating atoms doesn't beat working with the real things...
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For the record, pvc filled with black powder is considered a pipe bomb. There is legal precedent on it, can't remember the exact case. The guy was
shooting off pvc firecrackers and he got serios prison time. Cardboard is OK but nothing that has the potential to generate shrapnel in the actual
firework. Launch tubes aka mortars should be material capable of substantial over-pressure or not produce shrapnel again cardboard, pvc definitely
isn't it. It sounds like fireworks is a possibility but unless the prosecutor feels sorry for the kid, he could be in big trouble.
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Anyone messing with any Energetic Material(s) must take the responsibility for any of the effects they may cause.
It is better for straight-thinking, serious-minded folks to make/handle them, as any random foolishness or simple preventable accident can injure,
maim or kill other people.
... and it is a Choice - he wasn't coerced into making/buying black powder and stuffing it into a pipe.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Zombie | That's my point in posting it.
She's been groomed for the position.
Hillary has more legal indiscretions than anyone else I can compare to in office. Yet... She will be the next US president.
You fellas in Europe better pull up the draw bridges, and fill the motes with alligators. She won't be happy with just the US. She wants global
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They're ALL 'groomed' for the position, Zombie, but not by 'Bilderberg', 'The Illuminati' or shape-shifting reptillians. Politics is increasingly
dominated by Big Capital.
'European nobility' BTW has ZERO political power.
Europe isn't pulling up its draw bridges, quite the OPPOSITE, see the relevant TTIP secret agreement.
Agreed with maccone and aga.
[Edited on 17-5-2015 by blogfast25]
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[Edited on 5-17-2015 by Zombie]
They tried to have me "put to sleep" so I came back to return the favor.
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'Communication' by ginormous emoticon. No wonder you end up knowing so precious little...
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The most recent case that is considered authoritative:
http://media.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/pub/files/200812910....
ie. If you use pvc casing it is a destructive device.
The worstine case is somewhat older and generally out of favor but
It does allow the defendant to provide a defense if they can prove
That the purpose of the device was as a firework versus a destructive
Device. Notice that this isn't a very good defense.
I am not a lawyer disclaimer. Don't use pvc for fireworks.
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| Quote: Originally posted by macckone | That the purpose of the device was as a firework versus a destructive
Device. Notice that this isn't a very good defense.
I am not a lawyer disclaimer. Don't use pvc for fireworks. |
I prefer the 'hipflask defence'!
Why use PVC when you can use cardboard?
[Edited on 17-5-2015 by blogfast25]
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Lawyers or not, i think that most would agree that discharging any quantity of EM in a residential area would be likely to cause annoyance or damage
to the human residents or property thereof, and should therefore be unlawful, as it is at the very least disrespectful.
There isn't much of a defense that can be built.
Perhaps if he had built a custom demolishing ball-crane rig, and it went out of control and killed people he may have been in for a brighter future.
An active interest in the science of EM is a good thing, yet it MUST be coupled with a healthy interest in Travel to Far Away Places too, or and
enforced interest in confined spaces and daily anal sex will follow.
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All fireworks are illegal in Newport News. Not getting off to a good start...
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I'd be contacting my 'character witnesses' at this point, I think.
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A quick look at what he is dealing with.
Newport News Penal codes... https://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+18.2-85
§ 18.2-85. Manufacture, possession, use, etc., of fire bombs or explosive materials or devices; penalties.
For the purpose of this section:
"Device" means any instrument, apparatus or contrivance, including its component parts, that is capable of producing or intended to produce an
explosion but shall not include fireworks as defined in § 27-95.
Nothing in this section shall prohibit the authorized manufacture, transportation, distribution, use or possession of any material, substance, or
device by a member of the armed forces of the United States, fire fighters or law-enforcement officers, nor shall it prohibit the manufacture,
transportation, distribution, use or possession of any material, substance or device to be used solely for scientific research, educational
purposes or for any lawful purpose, subject to the provisions of §§ 27-97 and 27-97.2.
https://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+27-95
"Fireworks" means any firecracker, torpedo, skyrocket, or other substance or object, of whatever form or construction, that contains any explosive or
inflammable compound or substance, and is intended, or commonly known as fireworks, and which explodes, rises into the air or travels laterally, or
fires projectiles into the air.
"Permissible fireworks" means any sparklers, fountains, Pharaoh's serpents, caps for pistols, or pinwheels commonly known as whirligigs or spinning
jennies.
Like everything else in the legal system there are provisions in the fire code that supersede the city ordinances.
On the one hand the kid could be in the clear, and on the other he could be a felon for life.
It's all up to the DEA, and the Newport News States Attorneys office.
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Hey Mr. Blog... Build me a boat or a race engine or the building they get built in.
Perhaps a vintage chopper or a Trike Harley. Heck... Build me a computer that designs all of these.
I know a thing or three about a thing or three from doing them. All you or I know about how the politics of our world are formed is what we are told.
I tend to believe the opinions that make the most sense.
[Edited on 5-18-2015 by Zombie]
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The dea would hand explosives violations over to the atf and the federal prosecutor. If it is just local police then it could stay local but I doubt
it. And there is still the possibility of something larger going on.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Zombie | A quick look at what he is dealing with.
Newport News Penal codes... https://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+18.2-85
§ 18.2-85. Manufacture, possession, use, etc., of fire bombs or explosive materials or devices; penalties.
For the purpose of this section:
"Device" means any instrument, apparatus or contrivance, including its component parts, that is capable of producing or intended to produce an
explosion but shall not include fireworks as defined in § 27-95.
Nothing in this section shall prohibit the authorized manufacture, transportation, distribution, use or possession of any material, substance, or
device by a member of the armed forces of the United States, fire fighters or law-enforcement officers, nor shall it prohibit the manufacture,
transportation, distribution, use or possession of any material, substance or device to be used solely for scientific research, educational
purposes or for any lawful purpose, subject to the provisions of §§ 27-97 and 27-97.2.
https://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+27-95
"Fireworks" means any firecracker, torpedo, skyrocket, or other substance or object, of whatever form or construction, that contains any explosive or
inflammable compound or substance, and is intended, or commonly known as fireworks, and which explodes, rises into the air or travels laterally, or
fires projectiles into the air.
"Permissible fireworks" means any sparklers, fountains, Pharaoh's serpents, caps for pistols, or pinwheels commonly known as whirligigs or spinning
jennies.
Like everything else in the legal system there are provisions in the fire code that supersede the city ordinances.
On the one hand the kid could be in the clear, and on the other he could be a felon for life.
It's all up to the DEA, and the Newport News States Attorneys office. |
I had read through these codes before, but I could have sworn that ALL fireworks were illegal, including sparklers and fountains. The codes above
sound more like the codes of VA, where pretty much anything except things that go pop or go up in the air are legal.
I am not doubting your reporting of these codes, just my recollection of what I read a while back... strange.
EDIT: Newport News has a separate site that is actually pretty nice that you can search through codes and other things. I haven't found the site yet,
but here is a news article about all the above being illegal. Not the source, but a newspaper article to remind those of fireworks legality around
holidays. http://articles.dailypress.com/2010-06-29/entertainment/dp-n...
[Edited on 18-5-2015 by Loptr]
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| Quote: Originally posted by Zombie | Hey Mr. Blog... Build me a boat or a race engine or the building they get built in.
Perhaps a vintage chopper or a Trike Harley. Heck... Build me a computer that designs all of these.
I know a thing or three about a thing or three from doing them. All you or I know about how the politics of our world are formed is what we are told.
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I've never disputed your considerable knowledge in various areas, quite the opposite. But here, on this subject, that knowledge is irrelevant.
And when you come up with a link like the one you came up with, I must conclude chronic political ignorance.
Meanwhile the destruction of the USA by Neoliberalism continues. Perhaps you can also blame 'Bilderberg' for that?
| Quote: | | I tend to believe the opinions that make the most sense. |
As if historiography, source verification, historical materialism and other methods for the 'objective' study of history and society don't exist.
(insert 'eyes to heaven' emoticon here)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s__rX_WL100
[Edited on 18-5-2015 by blogfast25]
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update
He was arrested and identified:
http://www.dailypress.com/news/crime/dp-police-fire-hazmat-d...
He was sentenced:
http://www.nncwa.com/news/2016/2016-06-03.htm 22 months to prison
http://ewsocis1.courts.state.va.us/CJISWeb/CaseDetail.do- link for virginia court search.
Excerpt from one of three court cases of his:
Hearings
# Date Time Type Room Plea Duration Jury Result
1 12/14/2015 9:30AM Grand Jury 3 True Bill
2 01/14/2016 10:00AM Trial 2 Continued Motion Of Defense
3 03/03/2016 10:00AM Trial 4 Continued
4 03/04/2016 10:30AM Trial 4 Continued
5 03/23/2016 10:00AM Trial 4 Not Guilty Presentence Ordered
6 06/03/2016 9:00AM Sentencing 4 Sent
Final Disposition
Disposition Code:
Guilty
Disposition Date:
06/03/2016
Concluded By:
Trial - Judge With Witness
Amended Charge:
Amended Code Section:
Amended Charge Type:
Jail/Penitentiary:
Penitentiary
Concurrent/Consecutive:
Life/Death:
Sentence Time:
7 Year(s)
Sentence Suspended:
6 Year(s)4 Month(s)
Operator License Suspension Time:
Fine Amount:
$0.00
Costs:
$495.00
Fines/Cost Paid:
Yes
Program Type:
Community Service
Probation Type:
Supervised
Probation Time:
3 Year(s)
Probation Starts:
Probation To Begin Upon Release
Court/DMV Surrender:
Driver Improvement Clinic:
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Possession of an explosive device, cardboard = firework, pvc = explosive or destructive device.
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If you make large firecrackers, regardless of case materials or EM you used? ATF will probably call it a destructive device, even if YOU intended it
to be a firework for entertainment purposes.
Kids experimenting with pyrotechnics and making a few large firecrackers may be charged under the same laws as those making devices intended to kill.
Even bursting a plastic soda bottle with a gas generating mix is enough for such a charge.
There also have been a few instances of ATF agents getting killed while dealing with bootleg firecracker factories, ATF was quite touchy about this
type of activity long before 911 and "the GWOT".
https://www.atf.gov/our-history/fallen-agents/johnny-masenga...
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Thanks for the update on this case; interesting read.
The political banter is also quite funny now that the election is over. Everyone's so doom and gloom about everything and yet the world keeps on
spinning.
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