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WPK0129
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Your remote, totalitarian country will let you get sodium metal?
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Pyro
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sodium is surprisingly easy to get if you look properly, ebay has quite a few offers for element collectors, even some Chinese companies will sell you
a mere kg or so for a reasonable price. also it can be bought online in East-Europe
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ElectroWin
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Quote: Originally posted by testimento  | | If you ever happen to cross your feet in a remote, totalitarian country as mine is, you'd sell your mother to get some sulfuric acid.
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sulfuric acid is so useful that its production is used as a measure of a nation's industrial health. such a pity to be poor dude. does your mom cook
and clean house? 
sorry, i digress
why not dry with anhydrous CaO?
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PeeWee2000
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Indeed sodium is quite easy to get if you look in the right place dont forget its a DEA special surveillance item so dont buy too much at once
“Everything is relative in this world, where change alone endures.”
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FreeMirage
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| Quote: Originally posted by testimento |
Sorry to tell, but most people don't live in university labs. If you ever happen to cross your feet in a remote, totalitarian country as mine is,
you'd sell your mother to get some sulfuric acid. |
You can buy them online for $15-20 a pound and they're re-usable if you're allowed to own an oven in said totalitarian country.
Sodium on the other hand has way better uses than drying solvents and it's a one time use material. Also, it's not even as good at drying as a column
of sieves.
Hell, I've got a ton of sieves laying around from some alkoxide reactions I was trying out, I'd sell you a pound shipped for $20 (as long as you
aren't in some crazy remote part of the world where shipping packages involves a rogue parachutist).
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Sodium
| Quote: Originally posted by PeeWee2000 | | Indeed sodium is quite easy to get if you look in the right place dont forget its a DEA special surveillance item so dont buy too much at once |
Purchased through a Gold refinning supply house there is no watch at all. I have bought 5 lbs at a time.
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Just to explain the Magnesium metal method to CaptainPike, the Mg metal reacts with residual water when the mixture is refluxed. Initially you will
form Mg(OH)2 + H2 gas and eventually MgO as the water becomes more and more scarce. Eventually the Mg starts to react with the ethanol to form
Mg(OEt)2 + H2 gas. The magnesium ethoxide acts as a "getter" to eliminate the last few bits of residual water.
According to purification of Laboratory Chemicals the magnesium method is only done on ethanol at 99% purity. The reason for this (my opinion at
least) is that the amount of magnesium needed to pull the 95.5% azeotrope to 99.99% is unreasonable. You will be wasting perfectly good magnesium on
removing water that can be easily removed by reflux with CaO or 3A sieves. Also use of the magnesium method to dry ethanol is reserved for highly
moisture sensitive reactions such as making alkoxides for reactions very sensitive to water. In those cases the purified ethanol is usually handled
via air free techniques.
In industry 200 proof ethanol used for biochemistry is produced by distillation under high vacuum, a very nice and clean product free from benzene and
other contaminants can be obtained however it probably is more like 99.9% pure due to absorption of moisture from the air during filling and
transport.
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testimento
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| Quote: Originally posted by FreeMirage | | Hell, I've got a ton of sieves laying around from some alkoxide reactions I was trying out, I'd sell you a pound shipped for $20 (as long as you
aren't in some crazy remote part of the world where shipping packages involves a rogue parachutist). |
I once tried to look for sieves. One supplier listed them, but it was the same supplier who called the state force after me when I inquired for glass
bottles. And hell, I've even got the documents from this left. I'd probably be raided down by special task unit if you'd happen to send those sieves
for me. And yes, I live in country where supplying stuff via parachute is cheaper than using the state postal services...
Anyway, drying with NaOH is enough for me so far for ether. 
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