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[*] posted on 7-5-2013 at 04:37


Quote: Originally posted by Trotsky  
We need the amphetamine of nootropics for APO


A new promising nootropic 1000x stronger than previous prototypical piracetame nootropic :P
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noopept
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On a side note APO is 13?? I'm perplexed by this. Not only does he have quite a bit of chemical jargon down - he is rather articulate. I can't even remember what pointless shit I was doing at 13 years old.

I can't really say I expect anything less of him when it comes to him wanting to explore energetic materials though - if I had understood firework manufacturing at 13 I would have tried. I'm pretty sure that around 13 is when I discovered porn though so I was probably pretty content :P.

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[*] posted on 7-5-2013 at 04:59


Big reveal. I'm 14, so judge me.



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[*] posted on 7-5-2013 at 05:18


Quote: Originally posted by Finnnicus  
Big reveal. I'm 14, so judge me.


Kid - don't stress it. I wish my parents had facilitated something academic rather than just sport related. I was a pretty smart kid, but I was hardly able to understand this non-sense. Just keep letting your curiosity take you places.
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[*] posted on 7-5-2013 at 05:25


Oh you don't know my parents.



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[*] posted on 7-5-2013 at 09:23


Quote: Originally posted by Finnnicus  
Big reveal. I'm 14, so judge me.


Just means you have an early start, no judging necessary it a good thing. I wish I had gotten into chemistry at that age but I started at 24.




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[*] posted on 7-5-2013 at 20:27


Quote: Originally posted by Finnnicus  
What's your beef with Mn2O7? And not nitric acid?


Very simple- it can blast off after contact with tiniest amount of reducing agents. Like Cl2O7.




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[*] posted on 7-5-2013 at 21:53


Mhmmm, sorry to start an argument but to produce nitrated products you suggested, one would need more nitric acid than just a few ml. A few ml of nitric acid compares to a drop of manganese heptoxide, danger wise, but that's just an opinion.



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[*] posted on 8-5-2013 at 14:45


Excuse me, but what does k3wl mean? People call me that a lot on here...




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[*] posted on 8-5-2013 at 14:55


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Excuse me, but what does k3wl mean? People call me that a lot on here...


http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=k3wl

K3wl:

K3wls are people, most commonly troubled teenagers, who feel unaccepted by the society and thus constantly call for other k3wls' attention and general pity by pretending illiteracy, criminal intent, self-destructiveness, general irresponsibility and idiocy. The lack of tolerance toward such people is due to their unsurpassed ability to cause a rapid degradation of any forum.

K3wl to forum:
"OMGZ MANZ I BL3W UP A FENCE!"




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[*] posted on 8-5-2013 at 14:59


Hmm?



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[*] posted on 8-5-2013 at 16:55


K3wl: AKA APO



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[*] posted on 8-5-2013 at 22:46


Fine, be that way.



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[*] posted on 9-5-2013 at 04:41


Quote: Originally posted by Finnnicus  
Mhmmm, sorry to start an argument but to produce nitrated products you suggested, one would need more nitric acid than just a few ml. A few ml of nitric acid compares to a drop of manganese heptoxide, danger wise, but that's just an opinion.


Nitric acid cannot explode, but Mn2O7 can. I never made it, but all what I've read about this compound sounds very badly. Useless compound, which can easily (too damn easily) blow up. There is the whole list of such compound- Cl2O7, NCl3 and so on. Cold sulfuric acid plus KMnO4. When this mixture explodes, drops of acid will fly everywhere. For example, just onto your face.




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[*] posted on 9-5-2013 at 05:32


agreed.. hanging yourself is physics, this is a forum for chemsitry!!

anyways you can get your IP to run through a proxy.. even TPB has been blocked in my country but i can get on it if i care to proxy my IP, as in when i go on the internet its just proxied.. all times..
proxied IP's pops up as much more interesting to police tho, so you might want to consider that aswell




~25 drops = 1mL @dH2O viscocity - STP
Truth is ever growing - but without context theres barely any such.

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[*] posted on 9-5-2013 at 05:49


Quote: Originally posted by Antiswat  
agreed.. hanging yourself is physics, this is a forum for chemsitry!!

anyways you can get your IP to run through a proxy.. even TPB has been blocked in my country but i can get on it if i care to proxy my IP, as in when i go on the internet its just proxied.. all times..
proxied IP's pops up as much more interesting to police tho, so you might want to consider that aswell


Since his (APO) location is 'hill billy country', he 'Hates Obama', and is 13 I would deduce he is an American living in a southern state with a parental imposed website blocker. They are probably afraid he'll draw attention to himself with all the crazy bombs the kid is interested in lol. That or porn.

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[*] posted on 9-5-2013 at 06:00


Porn. Definitely porn. It is a parent imposed blocker, to ban him from the blasphemous stuff. Like porn, and Obama.



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[*] posted on 9-5-2013 at 11:35


Imagine when he finds out that Obama wants to ensure that all Americans have access to affordable healthcare like every other developed nation, rebuild crumbling infrastructure (Minnesota bridge collapse anyone? I had driven across that bridge that morning!) And properly fund education... that'll get both of his teeth grinding!


Lol

Actually, I still don't think Mn2O7 is that bad. It's inability to contact just about everything make it highly impractical but I've never ever seen it react beyond the little oxidizeable material was present. After talk on here about it detonating at a certain point I tried .5, 1 and 1.5ml on a hot plate. I was hoping for detonation. Instead I got small puffs of purple smoke at all levels tested.

This was the case when heated slowly starting with a cold hot plate and rapidly by moving the material (on foil) over a flame. I should have reported this in the other thread actually.

I know earlier authors reported explosive decomp upon heating but I was surprisingly unable to replicate this.

That said, it is dangerous and requires proper precautions, but I would suggest anyone make this over tatp.

Oh, additionally I again tried detonating manganese heptoxide by impact. I placed .5 and then 1ml in foil and lightly folded it so it wouldn't spill out or splatter. I sat this on concrete and smacked it with a heavy splitting maul. No luck here either.

This was Mn2O7 prepared via KMnO4 and sulfuric acid, it was not cleaned in any way but it did prove highly reactive to organic materials as one would expect, though somewhat surprisingly it would not react to anthracite coal added to it. I began to fear a delayed detonation like I once mentioned here about paraffin wax which cracked my window. Just replaced it last weekend.
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[*] posted on 9-5-2013 at 11:53


Quote: Originally posted by Trotsky  
Imagine when he finds out that Obama wants to ensure that all Americans have access to affordable healthcare like every other developed nation, rebuild crumbling infrastructure (Minnesota bridge collapse anyone? I had driven across that bridge that morning!) And properly fund education... that'll get both of his teeth grinding!

You think anyone who considers Obama a "socialist" is going to seriously listen to someone called "Trotsky"?

(Note- as a Canuck, I have no intention of starting an argument about the pros and cons of any American politician, I just wanted to comment on the names.)

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[*] posted on 9-5-2013 at 14:45


I don't think APO would know who Trotsky was. I don't think 90% of the American electorate knows who Trotsky was.

But yeah, shit, if Obama is a socialist, Trotsky is beyond the radical left.

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[*] posted on 9-5-2013 at 15:48


Being in APO's age bracket, does it prove a point that I know who Trotsky was? Although I'm not even 100% of the entire american population so...

-I think APO would enjoy a society that is idyllically communist.
Edit: weird punctuation.

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[*] posted on 9-5-2013 at 15:54


Quote: Originally posted by Trotsky  
I don't think APO would know who Trotsky was. I don't think 90% of the American electorate knows who Trotsky was.

I wouldn't judge him for that. I know what grade he's in, and I didn't find out who Trotsky was until the grade after that.




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[*] posted on 9-5-2013 at 16:00


Quote: Originally posted by Trotsky  

After talk on here about it detonating at a certain point I tried .5, 1 and 1.5ml on a hot plate. I was hoping for detonation. Instead I got small puffs of purple smoke at all levels tested.


This is likely because you have diluted your Mn2O7 with H2SO4..
It´s very hard to get a good ratio, and powdering the KMnO4 before adding the H2SO4 is vastly more efficient.
I had a very good ratio a few times, and when dropped a single drop of this onto asphalt it detonated on contact. No flashing or popping no, it banged as soon as it contacted the asphalt. The reaction was even more violent with wood, I nearly got ringing ears from this..

I never tested it against shock, but something so reactive almost certainly IS sensitive to mechanical stimuli.




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[*] posted on 9-5-2013 at 22:27


Surely KClO3 is much safer (to say nothing about KClO4). I do not see anything interesting in Mn2O7. Too few active oxygen, too hi sensitivity and so on. I know who Trotsky was. This person surely deserved to get a whole syringe with Mn2O7 into his liver. But he was murdered by an ice ax. What a pity.



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[*] posted on 10-5-2013 at 00:18


My internet isn't reliable so I use OTHERS WiFi connections, which in turn are public, so they usually have a lot of stuff blocked. Also I don't like Obama because he told everyone at NASA that no funding would be lost, but then he slashed their budget and canceled project constellation. Also I'm not interested in making "crazy bombs", I wanted Nitrosyl Tetrafluoroborate to make Hexanitrohexaazaisowurtzitane for use as a high energy, stealthy propellant. Finally by "hill billy country" I mean I live in a place of vast nothingness, with exception of the occasional Mcdonald's.



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[*] posted on 10-5-2013 at 00:20


Definitely porn related.

Edit: Wow, Hexanitrohexaazaisowurtzitane, thats quite the mouthful and quite the propellent. Ambitious.

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