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| Quote: | Originally posted by madscientist
Here are a few ideas for energetic compounds that would liberate toxic gasses when detonated: |
| Quote: | Originally posted by vulture
Sorry to blow your theory and to send all those reactions down the drain, but phosgene is thermodynamically unstable and decomposes above 300C.... |
On page 140 of "Davis" there is mention of Dinitrochlorobenzene
producing Phosgene.
The normal products of any explosive are not sweet in general and
considered toxic as a rule. Any substance producing products that
are banned by international treaty would itself be banned, and only
of interest to terrorists. Disseminating toxic clouds is best done
by aerosolizing with an explosive charge. This is how chemical
weapons have always been constructed.
For a nasty downwind vapor hazard how about Hydrogen Sulfide
solvated in perchloric acid. SH3ClO4 -> HCl + SO3 + H2O
Or if area denial is your scheme try an explosive salt of a
radio isotope, the kind used in nuclear medicine.
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Not explosive in it self, but teflon powder (or teflon in any form) added to an explosive would likely release toxic gas like COF2, PFIB and other
nasties due to the thermal decomposition of the material.
Also CuF2 is likely to release the dreaded F2 if heated, just like CuCl2 releases Cl2. Adding these to an explosive would likely lead to "at least"
the formation of HF, perhaps if OB was negative the free F would react post-boom with CO to give COF2.
How about dinitro/trinitrofluorobenzene mixed with potassium chlorate? The former could be made by Anilline + nitrous acid at low temps + some
fluorinating agent like AlF3, followed by nitration into di-nitro. Dont know how hard that first step would be though, halogens in rings are
de-activating after all.
The compound, or at least the mono-nitro fluorobenzene (mix with O+ comp like AN?) is likely to be very toxic by itself.
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| Quote: | | Originally posted by HaggisNo person is insane enough to deal with a kilogram of NI3 |
I (and my former 2000mL flask) beg to differ.
It makes sense to make a LOT at once (enough to last you, well, basically forever), and when purified, washed etc, keeps fairly well sealed under
distilled water.
It still isn't useful at all though, I agree, except for putting in keyholes and such.
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While somewhat differing from a topic of "toxic" there is a marvelous method to release clouds of Oleoresin Capsicum ("pepper spray" CAS# 8023-77-6).
This may be obtained for pennies or in USP form for quite a bit more but the product is basically the same. It is contained in a "mirco-prill" which
is not distrubed by a "cool" high explosive like nitroguanidine. So long as the initiating explosive does not scorch - the prill is air-bourne. Thus
there are the standard shells & gas granades which "push" the OC material but there are also those made by Defense Technology Corp of America
which utilize a triple base smokeless powder that is very high in niroguanidine (it's actually mostly Nitroguanidine) with a small det (like a #4).
The material is launched into the air in clouds of fine particulate matter as a direct mix with the HE. These are called "Non-continuous Discharge
Genade 107 or T-16 Flameless Expulsion Genade" - Same company.
I believe the patent is US5069134 but that may be for a CO2 version (I have the material on another computer).
The "mini-prill" may be made by simply evaporating any of the numorous products on the market which use OC in a carrier of alcohol. The OC material in
a carrier of ethylene glycol is already in mini (micro) prill form - just look under a microscope. In bulk OC may be obtained for about $80 a pound
but considering that a grenade dose is less than a gram and that will fill a 30' x 30' room....it goes a LONG way!
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Mg3N2 + 2 CHF3 => 3MgF2 + 2 HCN
How much actual HCN is made given the temperature evolved is an open question.
Nice thing about this though is that venting the Freon from confinement leaves
the Mg3N2 component inert.
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Cyanuric triazide exlodes with formation of cyanogen, formaldoxime is also explosive if fast heated and generates lots of HCN. As it comes to
halogenated hydrocarbons flourine based ones are generaly far more toxic, one example is flouroacetates witch can be produced from it's methyl ester
witch can be prepared by fusing methylchloroacetate with NaF in autoclave, however stuff is too nasty for somebody to try this. Also one should
remember that many compounds as common chemical warfare agents are decomposed in blast wave, however some are able to be volatized in such manner,
examples are lacrymators such as CN and nerve agents like sarin.
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