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woelen
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@franklyn: Whatever your reasoning and your motives, the act of setting up a fake business (let's call it that way, it is clear what I mean and it is
nothing less and nothing more) for obtaining chemicals is one of the most harmful things one can do for the sake of the hobby in general. This only
adds to the negative image of home chemistry. In some countries this even is a crime and I think it is not good at all to invite people to do that
kind of things.
I personally do not have a company, nor a registered VAT-number, but I can obtain many many chemicals. Not all of the chemicals I want, but quite a
few. For the rest, let's put our efforts in finding ways to make difficult to obtain chemicals from chemicals which are easier to obtain. E.g. bromine
is very hard to obtain, but bromides are not.
Still we can obtain equipment without too much trouble (glassware, power supplies, electrodes, glass tubing, heaters, etc.) and with that equipment, a
set of common chemicals, AND KNOWLEDGE you can reach a lot. In this way I made
- Br2
- KBrO3
- KClO3
- KIO4
- Na3H2IO6
- K
- 20% reagent grade HCl
from simple and fairly easy to obtain chemicals like KBr, KI, KCl, NaOH, KOH, Mg and 10% hardware store HCl. These are just a few examples, I made
more interesting chemicals myself.
Knowledge and reasonable equipment is the key to getting interesting chemicals and this will become more and more true in the near future.
So, let's steer away from discussions about how to set up a fake business. Instead put your energy in finding legal sources of chemicals (they still
exist  ) and in building up knowledge and experience in making your own chemicals.
In the recent past we have seen a few very nice examples, the making of potassium and the making of white P. These efforts make such chemicals
accessible for the somewhat more engaged home chemist, but the occasional K3wL who just wants a qick b4ng and sm0k3 is put off.
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jon
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that ups store shit is'nt going to fly any compliance department worth thier salt is going to catch that.
i suggest you use a secretarial service.
incedental to thier business is recieving mail.
if you are talking about drums you may as well rent some commercial space for 700/month.
i could see it now someone trying to route drums to the ups store....
[Edited on 7-5-2011 by jon]
[Edited on 7-5-2011 by jon]
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SelfStarter
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Actually if a business will send drums to the UPS store. UPS has no problem with it. They will even accept truckload shipments for you and hold it for
14days free of charge. Not bad for $20/month. Yes, you are correct the compliance departments will catch UPS stores every-time though.
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albqbrian
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This sounds best...
Quote: Originally posted by Contrabasso  | | Come to an arrangement with a local shopkeeper with a suitable trade. "Rent" mailbox and parcel reception from them. Pick a place where the supplies
you want are credible. Where do you work? Can you get the storekeeper to receive parcels for you? |
There are several hurdles you must pass in this paranoid, post 9/11 world before a major chem company will deal with you. I ran into this a few years
ago when I tried to order from Sigma Aldrich. In addition to the things mentioned: no residential address, no PO Box; they also check basic business
databases. If they find you there, they'll feel much better. Also they expect to work via a Purchase Order. I suppose some small businesses
legitimately use credit cards, but it's another red flag.
One could set all this up, but at that point you're in business and I doubt it'd be cheap. In this time of economic distress I'd say finding a friend
who already has a business would be far simpler and cheaper.
Good luck.
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franklyn
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Those of you looking for " Big Trouble " know it's astute to cover your tracks
and affect plausible denial to scrutiny. Delaware, Wyoming and Nevada host
incorporation services that rival off shore providers. No need for Vanuatu or
Andorra. Unless your activities prompt a " criminal " investigation, officious
snoopers won't bother.
Global Money Laundering & Terrorist Financing Threat Assessment
http://www.fatf-gafi.org/dataoecd/48/10/45724350.pdf
Bank Secrecy Act: U.S Money Laundering Threat Assessment
http://www.justice.gov/dea/pubs/pressrel/011106.pdf
Bank Secrecy Act Anti-Money Laundering Examination Manual
http://www.ffiec.gov/bsa_aml_infobase/documents/BSA_AML_Man_...
Offshore Financial Centers -- IMF Background Paper
http://www.imf.org/external/np/mae/oshore/2000/eng/back.htm
Financial Havens, Banking Secrecy and Money Laundering
http://www.imolin.org/imolin/finhaeng.html
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