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IrC
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Emil "Just because you haven't had any bad experiences with eBay, doesnt mean other people haven't ok."
1416 transactions through ebay that they know about. About 1/3 electronic, rest chemical or related. Likely double that with MO's or "goods/other" on
paypal where ebay knows nothing about the item.
3 times I have been burned. Once I got 30 back out of 75 as paypal said that was all the guys account had in it. Full blown ebay auction for an
antique violet ray device. Tingly. Twice nothing back. Paypal only takes from the persons account if they have money in it. Crappy ripoff sellers know
this and have barely any money in it.
Do not buy from ebay sellers who primarily only list known drug chemicals. These are traps. Do not buy chemicals for drug making, do not make drugs.
Those who do are destroying our ability to create and discover. If I knew about it I would turn you in. Period.
All that aside there is no reason for paranoia unless you are stupid and kewl. Not aiming this at Emil nor inferring, "stupid and kewl" I apply to
those who are. If you are stupid and kewl what the hell would you buy chemicals for? I would not trust someone stupid and kewl with a potato gun.
Yet the stupid and kewl keep making them. Just like the clowns, they never stop coming.
I know this thread is about the UK, but I do not think I am too far off topic.
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" Richard Feynman
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woelen
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Actually, I even prefer buying from an eBay seller, instead of from some obscure site. You have buyer protection, eBay is rather critical in what is
allowed and what is not and what can be shipped safely and what not. So, if a chemical is on eBay and it is inside the EU (for people in the USA of
course it must be in the USA), then I feel fairly confident of buying it if I want. And as IrC also suggests, I always check the other items from the
same seller and I always check feedback from an unknown seller. In this way I have obtained many many chemicals. I must admit that the chemicals,
present at eBay, usually are not the most noxious ones, but sometimes you even find the somewhat more controversial ones. Just to give you an idea of
what kind of sellers I mean, here follows a list:
http://stores.ebay.nl/Home-n-Hobby-Chemicals?_rdc=1
http://stores.ebay.nl/Metals-Chemicals?_rdc=1 (right now, this one has NH4ReO4 !!)
http://stores.ebay.nl/Tuluce-Chemicals-C?_rdc=1
http://stores.ebay.nl/THE-MISTS-OF-AVALON?_rdc=1
http://stores.ebay.nl/sir-flacon?_rdc=1
This is just a list of some suppliers, I have many more on eBay (most of them in the UK, some in Poland and some in other countries). I see nothing
suspicious in this kind of sellers.
I have seen some more shady sellers in the past (people selling lots of organic chemicals of which many at least can raise some eye brows and some
were straight drug precursors with no other imaginable use in a home lab), but this kind of sellers can be filtered out easily. They usually have only
a few feedback points (i.e. they just sold a few items), they sell weird stuff and no general more common chemicals, most of the time they don't sell
at all and sometimes a controversial chemical appears and some of them also have outrageous shipping prices (e.g. 5 grams of red P for EUR 1 plus EUR
18 shipping). If a seller does not have that kind of dubious things and the general look and feel is similar to the ones I listed above, then I do not
have a strong feeling that it is dangerous to buy something from eBay.
It is good to be careful, but being paranoid is not good at all. It takes away interesting opportunities and even worse, it takes away the fun of home
chemistry in general.
[Edited on 5-10-10 by woelen]
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hiperion42
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Quote: Originally posted by hissingnoise  | So ultimately the level of hardship we face is dependent on the activities of greedy, moronic methcooks and superstitious, homicidal troglodytes.
The chances of them simply going away may be small but they're not nonexistent. . .
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Like the wall street primates the methcooks also have the right to be greedy.
And the chances of finding a chimpansee playing cards on the mount everest are also not nonexistent.
What are you talking about?
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Polverone
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