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[*] posted on 8-12-2008 at 15:37


CO2: The Greatest Scientific Scandal Of Our Time by Zbigniew Jaworowski
http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/Articles%202007/20_1-2...

Read the part on page 16 that says:

We may get to the point where the only way of saving the world will be for industrial civilization to collapse. Strong elaborated on the idea of sustainable development, which, he said, can be implemented by deliberate quest of poverty . . . reduced resource consumption . . . and set levels of mortality control.
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[*] posted on 20-12-2008 at 17:15


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during the Clinton-Gore Administration I was told what I could and could not say during congressional testimony. Since it was well known that I am skeptical of the view that mankind’s greenhouse gas emissions are mostly responsible for global warming, I assumed that this advice was to help protect Vice President Gore’s agenda on the subject.


Testimony of Roy W. Spencer before the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee on 22 July 2008 (pdf format)
http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Files.View...
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[*] posted on 20-12-2008 at 21:22


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Originally posted by Vogelzang... which, he said, can be implemented by deliberate quest of poverty . . .


Well, the U.S. certainly has been pursuing that goal the last eight years.

So let's look at some of the arguments in that document. From the CO2 Scandal
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Why do we not see a global-scale effort to replace the internal combustion automobile engine with a zero-pollution compressed-air engine?


Perhaps because such an automobile has no better well-to-wheel efficiency than a hydrogen fuel cell powered vehicle, and less that either standard IC engines, hybrids, or pure battery electric vehicles. More than half the power input is lost in the compression process, mostly as low grade heat; around 10% more is lost in the expansion. Compressed air cars don't like cold weather, even the models being promoted in India have a fuel burner to supply heat to the expanding air.

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combined with a switch from oil, gas, and coal into nuclear energy? But at the November 2006 mass meeting in Nairobi of 6,000 followers of Kyoto (including U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan, the Presidents of Kenya and Switzerland, and a cortège of ministers from some 180 countries), the participants were pressed to not even mention nuclear energy


Rightly or wrongly, many do not believe nuclear power to be as trouble free and cost effective as its proponents claim. Besides that, the U.S. wants tight controls on nuclear technology, controls that would leave most countries dependent on the few existing nuclear powers for future fuel needs. Unlike the U.S., whose military budget is half the world total on military items, most of those countries have no way to influence or threaten the nuclear fuel providers into not cutting off their fuel supply because the dependent country failed to only teach abstinence only sex ed or something.

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Maurice Strong, who dropped out of school at age 14,


Thomas Edison, less than a year of formal schooling; obvious failure and fraud.

I will note that 21st CENTURY Science & Technology is not peer reviewed, and is a publication of of Lyndon Larouche with a history of publishing defective articles.

A response to some of Jaworowski's claims is here http://www.someareboojums.org/blog/?p=7
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[*] posted on 21-12-2008 at 09:24


This is funny. Hundreds of people were suckered into signing a petition for banning dihydrogen monoxide (water). See videos here:

Penn And Teller Get Hippies To Sign Water Banning Petition
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi3erdgVVTw

Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Environmental Hysteria
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inGR5ZDgWzs

Penn and teller global warming
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbHKOM4c6H8

Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Being Green
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZ0P1qHe1ag

The Truth About Al Gore
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQygvUrBMGU

Global Warming - Al Gore sued by 30.000 Scientists
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6zpHtbM3hc

Carbon offset trading fraud -- huge criminal activity
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BEPUxE2uIw

THE 21st Century Scam--Carbon Credits Trading
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjbtU2UJhyw
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