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[*] posted on 26-8-2023 at 11:46
Which chlorine oxidants dissolve gold?


Au is traditionally dissolved in solvents like aqua regia... which is HCl/HNO3 mixture. This and other known solvents for gold are characterized by presence of HCl and a strong oxidant, or of Cl2.
Now HClO4 does not react with gold up to fairly high concentrations.
But there are other oxidation states between 0 and 7 that Cl has. These are strong oxidants... but not directly converted to Cl2.
HClO3 can oxidize HCl to Cl2. But in the absence of HCl, HClO3 is stable when dilute, and dismutes when concentrated... to HClO4 and ClO2. ClO2 itself is stable in stable acid solutions. And then there are chlorites.
Does miracle mineral solution cause miraculous disappearance of gold? How does metal gold behave in ClO2-, ClO2 and ClO3- solutions where Cl- and Cl2 are absent?
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[*] posted on 26-8-2023 at 13:49


I would expect that at low pH gold can dissolve in chlorates (chloric acid). Chlorous acid is not stable, it decomposes to chloride and ClO2. Gold slowly dissolves in such solutions.
At high pH, I expect gold to be stable towards chlorite and chlorate. At high pH these are not particularly good oxidizers. ClO2 is not stable at high pH, it reacts to form a 1 : 1 stoichiometric mix of chlorite and chlorate.

Perchlorate is totally inert at neutral pH to high pH, even strong reductors like Fe(2+) and SO2/SO3(2-) are not oxidized. So, gold certainly is not oxidized. At low pH, perchlorate also is quite inert, as long as it is ionized (that's at concentrations up to around 80% in water!). Only the anhydrous acid is an extreme oxidizer, I do not know if that is capable of oxidizing gold.




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[*] posted on 27-8-2023 at 01:30


I previously wanted to try using potassium or sodium chlorate as an oxidizer for aqua regia.
It is cheaper than nitric acid, easy to synthesis, and much safer to handle, but after researching, it is decided against it due to the risks involved with chloric acid and perchloric acid.




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[*] posted on 7-10-2023 at 16:53


Cl2 seems simpler and cheaper than even HNO3



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[*] posted on 8-10-2023 at 01:52


3% H2O2 + HCl works great, and is my new goto for dissolving gold. It does not work very well/fast with other noble metals like platinum due to accelerated decomposition 9f the oxidizer.
A dropping funnel with 5-10 seconds between drops seams to have the best yield based on peroxide for gold. I setup a 2L rbf with reflux and an overflow tube, let it run all night. It will randomly foam up 1 out of 20 runs




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[*] posted on 8-10-2023 at 02:27


Google the "Chlorox" recovery method. It involved adding hypochlorite to HCL, which of course generates Cl2, but it forms an aggressive solution for dissolving Au. Do outside on in a fume hood!!
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[*] posted on 9-10-2023 at 02:32


Quote: Originally posted by woelen  
At low pH, perchlorate also is quite inert, as long as it is ionized (that's at concentrations up to around 80% in water!). Only the anhydrous acid is an extreme oxidizer, I do not know if that is capable of oxidizing gold.

An inconvenient source because it is Google books, but...
The Chemistry of Chlorine, Bromine, Iodine and Astatine: Pergamon ..., Volume 7
By A. J. Downs, C. J. Adams
Page 1442, "Properties":
"Anhydrous perchloric acid is an extremely powerful oxidizing agent;..., and rapidly oxidizes gold and silver."
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[*] posted on 23-12-2023 at 08:57


dissolve potassium nitrate in hcl & you get Aqua Regis :-) opppsss!

I've another method very unknown to chemscience?

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[*] posted on 23-12-2023 at 11:53


Quote: Originally posted by pneumatician  
dissolve potassium nitrate in hcl & you get Aqua Regis :-) opppsss!

I've another method very unknown to chemscience?


Um, nobody thinks that is something new.




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[*] posted on 7-1-2024 at 11:19


nobody thinks that is something obvious???
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[*] posted on 7-1-2024 at 14:47


Quote: Originally posted by pneumatician  
nobody thinks that is something obvious???

Yes, we all know it's obvious.




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