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Are you guys using ChatGPT
I haven't been on the forum much lately so I'm not sure if anyone is talking about this but ChatGPT is the most amazing thing I've ever come across on
the internet.
One of my side projects in making uranium compounds is to recover Ra from the ore and I've spent hours reading papers and searching for information
that's relevant to my specific scenarios and have made little progress in learning the chemistry of Ra... until now. I am continually surprised at how
good this thing as finding specific information on obscure subjects and it forms its responses based on information that has already been discussed in
the chat.
This is huge for the ameture chemist who has endless questions about things, like myself!
 
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Admagistr
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Quote: Originally posted by Gammatron  | I haven't been on the forum much lately so I'm not sure if anyone is talking about this but ChatGPT is the most amazing thing I've ever come across on
the internet.
One of my side projects in making uranium compounds is to recover Ra from the ore and I've spent hours reading papers and searching for information
that's relevant to my specific scenarios and have made little progress in learning the chemistry of Ra... until now. I am continually surprised at how
good this thing as finding specific information on obscure subjects and it forms its responses based on information that has already been discussed in
the chat.
This is huge for the ameture chemist who has endless questions about things, like myself!
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Yes,sometimes I use it out of curiosity,what he comes up with,but often he writes nonsense,makes up fake links to websites where the facts he writes
about are not there,or makes up and assumes things based on real information,I guess he considers it a joke.If you show him respect and deference,then
he writes more truth. But you have to independently verify everything he writes!There is already a thread or threads about this AI here.On the other
hand, this AI has original ideas that may be true and interesting.When you are doing a synthesis of a dangerous compound, you can't trust this AI too
much, you have to verify it...
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Gammatron
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I do verify what is said because I have seen it make mistakes, hence why I pointed out the conflicting information in my first picture. But I never
heard about using EDTA to recover Ra until now and it seems like a much better option than other methods I've read about. It's more of a guide than
source of solid facts I guess.
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Admagistr
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| Quote: Originally posted by Gammatron | | I do verify what is said because I have seen it make mistakes, hence why I pointed out the conflicting information in my first picture. But I never
heard about using EDTA to recover Ra until now and it seems like a much better option than other methods I've read about. It's more of a guide than
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Maybe it's a brilliant idea,he has original and unconventional perspectives,so as a kind of inspiration he is sometimes great...
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Have you looked through the hathi book trust? I mentioned EDTA/sulfamate leaching from old defence department papers earlier this month on your
other thread. It was based on research at hathi, looking for Ni electroforming methods, metal processing techniques, nuclear sciences and research.
No AI required, but that's just my old school mentality.
I've found sequestering information on the chemistry of sulfamic acid, solubilities of said salts and such very daunting, and often at least slightly
conflicting. But I don't think I'd trust that thing to inbibe and disseminate the information to me better than I can do it. I learned more finding
it myself, often finding adjacent papers in journals, before or after the target entry, that were fascinating.
I'd have to say, having people like solo on the reference request thread, unlocking papers I wanted 1000% helpful. I didn't have the go back and
counter check each point. Ya just have to have time and patience.
Personally, I'm steering clear of the AI wave. Seen friends using it to create socalled art, but they ARE artists... Ive no respect for it, but some
of its kinda interesting. Still not art
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This has been discussed on this
ChatGPT Thread
and this
ChatGPT Thread
Pick a slightly complex reaction that you know well and ask ChatGPT for details of the reaction, you will likely get garbage. Check out the discussion
on how it works in the second thread.
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My position exactly.
I would much prefer to say "I told you so" when it all goes wrong, rather than "I should have listened when they said AI would destroy us all!"
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| Quote: Originally posted by SplendidAcylation |
My position exactly.
I would much prefer to say "I told you so" when it all goes wrong, rather than "I should have listened when they said AI would destroy us all!"
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Ha ha ha.
You have no chance to survive. Make your time. All your base are belong to us.
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Oh wait !
That does sound like someone we know 
The spirit of adventure was upon me. Having nitric acid and copper, I had only to learn what the words 'act upon' meant. - Ira Remsen
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And is there any other AI that is publicly available and is purely focused on chemistry or science??I recently read that some other AI found suitable
molecules for a breakthrough treatment of a serious disease and biochemists could not figure it out on their own, so it advised the experts very well
and made a breakthrough discovery, so I guess We can't condemn AI in general, but apparently it is AI that is not publicly available and serves only a
limited circle of experts. ..I mean,if some circle of experts would make such AI available in philanthropy for us ,it would undoubtedly benefit us...Maybe someone from Cern,like they made available
Proton mail... And someone Z-Library.
[Edited on 28-4-2023 by Admagistr]
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| Quote: Originally posted by Admagistr |
This is huge for the ameture chemist who has endless questions about things, like myself!
...I recently read that some other AI found suitable molecules .....ie Proton mail... And someone Z-Library.
[Edited on 28-4-2023 by Admagistr] |
Do you recall where you read this? It sounds like a very interesting article.
-CharlieA
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Do you recall where you read this? It sounds like a very interesting article.
-CharlieA
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I am not entirely sure if it was this article, but it is possible.Here is the link:
https://singularityhub.com/2023/04/24/this-ai-can-design-com...
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im using it to write songs for me
I am a buttmeister
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So doing googleing while when i seen this,
auto chatgpt box pop up. It was so close if it would have been a hand grenade it would have worked. Took a screen shot. Showed it to my boss (genetic
professor at local local university) shes saying their collage is getting plagued by kids using this crap, failure rates through in the records and
most admitted to using ai. It talks a good game, but gets the important stuff wrong. Like me.
"You can't do that" - challenge accepted
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Wow. Every single thing it said there is wrong, wrong, and more wrong...
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Maybe it can do better if you ask it to make penicillin or something else. But I doubt it. Chat GPT is just a language tool, it does not really
understand anything it says. What it ought to be great for is writing political speeches, as those are mostly lies and exaggerations, which the AI
community is good at. Maybe it could write advertising as well, as that is similar.
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A friend of mine who is a physics professor was telling me the other day how much trouble they are having with their students using Chat GPT to
complete assignments. They are in the process of reconfiguring their assessment structure as a result.
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i coded an app to transform tlc pictures in data series without python skill
i know there a several soft for that but mine is highly optimized to fit my needs and it is free.
i did it last week, there is also peak picking and compound proposition based on rf value and personnal values
[Edited on 12-6-2023 by brubei]
I'm French so excuse my language
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ChatGPT is horrendously bad at chemistry. I've tried using it on my chemistry homework, and it barely gets ~35% of questions right as an upper bound.
Just remember it is a large language model, it's not intended for extremely rigorous topics. Use it instead for say drafting professional emails,
summarizing stuff, and other language related things.
(∩^o^)⊃━☆ the proof is by magic
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Or just don’t use it, and learn how to write.
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Now computers are becoming humanly brave, pretending to know something they have no idea about.
But this "artificial intelligence" is a very old thing...
[Edited on 20-6-2023 by teodor]
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I use one of the OpenAI models, don't know exactly which one, every day. They have an IntelliJ plugin, GitHub Copilot, which helps you write code.
Works like a charm, I don't exaggerate when i say I'm twice as fast when using it, it completes lines or whole code blocks.
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Of course we can make AI to work as we want, investing time/money etc. The question is "why we like to replace something with AI". I just don't get
the motivation. Yes, searching and getting articles and literature is costly and time-consuming process, yes, for preparation to experiments I spend
45% of the whole experiment time and washing the glassware takes 40% time, but I still can enjoy this time - a good book arrived or a perfectly clean
flask. I don't think cutting 45% which I spent on literature search will allow me to make better experiments. Because it is something about an order,
how we can enjoy when things are ordered or messy. AI is a bit messy for me.
I think the fundamental problem of using ChatGPT for chemistry is the absence of data personalization. If you read scientific articles or books it is
always kind of a conversation: one authors said something before, other authors argue, summorize etc. But it is always somebody who did something says
something. I think it is important part of the chemical knowledge organization.
OK, I can understand that the part of motivation to use AI instead of literature search is to make the data impersonal, like truth staying on its own.
Some "sientific approach". But I doubt there is a possibility to have impersonalised knowledge and still have it trustworthy.
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AI
Is it me or does AI sound like a "kewl" ? The separation of MeOH and EtOH was
completely wrong. MeOH has the lower boiling point of the 2. Then to talk about
"fractional crystallization" just makes no sense at all. I'LL NEVER TRUST AI !
From opening of NCIS New Orleans - It goes a BOOM ! BOOM ! BOOM ! MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !
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| Quote: Originally posted by MadHatter | Is it me or does AI sound like a "kewl" ? The separation of MeOH and EtOH was
completely wrong. MeOH has the lower boiling point of the 2. Then to talk about
"fractional crystallization" just makes no sense at all. I'LL NEVER TRUST AI ! |
Or just realize this AI is not trained to answer chemistry questions. It is a matter of time before an AI becomes public which is trained and doesn't
fail so miserably on simple questions.
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