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Quote: Originally posted by Syn the Sizer  | I am not European, but I absolutely do not support fascism. Europe is turning into a fascist state. Individual nations under authoritarian rule by the
EU and it's head of state so to say. They have a centralized currency for the EU, and the members national funds have been converted and as explained
to me, essentially EU funds now. Any person who wishes to loose gets the book thrown at them. They do not support individualism and treat immigrants
better than many of the locals who helped build the land to what it is now. They restrict people rights, and I feel practicing chemistry (and all
other sciences) is a right, the first chemists were alchemists working in their shop, some of the greatest discoveries were made by people working at
home. Modern day example is NerdRage perfecting the solvent extraction of potassium and all his video documentation.
Sorry for the political comment as I know politics is strictly prohibited here, but this is a scary truth and I am sure at least some here will agree
and very least not disagree with some of my statements.
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Well, I AM European and the first to criticise the EU for some things.
Your criticism however is both ABSURD and OFFENSIVE. Not to mention gross misinformation.
If this is the kind of crapola that flies in the Canadian webosphere then that might say more about Canada than about Europe!
The (supported) ban on political commentary on this site prevents me from demolishing your arguments further but I will say this: you clearly haven't
got the FOGGIEST CLUE about fascism! And misuse of the term makes fighting actual fascism harder, actually.
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I've submitted it too now.
Imagine a fascist state that encourages consultation about a national security issue, not only from its own citizens but also from foreign ones! 
I suggest that stuff about the EU, including mine, is pruned off and sent to Detritus.
[Edited on 15-2-2023 by blogfast25]
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| Quote: | | I am not European, but I absolutely do not support fascism. Europe is turning into a fascist state. |
People call everything fascism these days. These complaints not only needlessly sensationalize and exaggerate debates, they miss the whole
underlying reason why anyone was supposed to care about fascism in the first place.
Here's the problem with fascism: it's appealing. The reason fascism is dangerous even compared to other kinds of bad policy is that it creates a
romanticized context under which terrible ideas can seem to make sense, at least to some people. So we shouldn't call bad policies "fascist" unless
they offer a fascist appeal: the idea of an Orderly Society run by the Good People with Natural Human (or some-Ethnic) Ideas who have been Wrongly
Suppressed by the Manipulative Schemes of the Lying Intellectual Elites. (I could also talk about how state-corporate partnerships allow the state to
exert its authority beyond the boundaries of the law, but I digress.)
Not every authoritarian policy is fascism. Not every bad policy is fascism. Not every discriminatory and unfair policy is fascism. Not every
antidemocratic policy is fascism. Not every racist policy is fascism. Not every sexist policy is fascism. Not every nationalist policy is fascism.
When you hear people calling things fascism, when those things do not carry the risk of fascism, the risk of a romantic narrative that makes decent
people accept horrible things, those people are full of it.
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Syn the Sizer
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| Quote: Originally posted by charley1957 | | I just submitted the survey from Texas. There were choices you can check and one of them was Non EU Citizen, and I listed USA as my country. There was
a pie chart that showed a percentage of other folks outside the EU had also answered the survey. Couldn’t hurt to try. Mine submitted successfully.
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Awesome, thanks, I must have the link. I will check again when I get home.
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Syn the Sizer
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| Quote: Originally posted by blogfast25 |
If this is the kind of crapola that flies in the Canadian webosphere then that might say more about Canada than about Europe!
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| Quote: Originally posted by blogfast25 |
You clearly haven't got the FOGGIEST CLUE about fascism! And misuse of the term makes fighting actual fascism harder, actually.
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To make it clear, I did not say Europe was a fascist state, I said it is turning into one. My opinions are actually base on discussions with various
friends from Europe and they were the first to make the claim, then upon research on in fascism to get a better understanding I saw some parallels
where I see Europe heading with the EU restrictions.
| Quote: Originally posted by clearly_not_atara | | Quote: |
Not every authoritarian policy is fascism. Not every bad policy is fascism. Not every discriminatory and unfair policy is fascism. Not every
antidemocratic policy is fascism. Not every racist policy is fascism. Not every sexist policy is fascism. Not every nationalist policy is fascism.
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I do agree, I didn't say this bill was fascist, just that the EU is becoming one as it seems they are slowly banning everything. It starts with one
and eventually you have no rights. I also feel being united under one common banner like the EU destroys cultural individuality, in time it will
become one group with the same money, same restrictions. Then next thing you know there will be no petition, they will tell you what is and isn't.
it took very little time for Canada and the many cultures that founded us to become one. Mind you we were also all in a new land and not our ancestral
land.
I still see the risk of it becoming a fascist state, again, not saying it is now or these restrictions are. |
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I would like to suggest that, in addition to the inconvenience caused to budding home chemists by the ever-tightening lockdown on common chemicals,
that it might be more compelling to point out the impact it must be having on the average homeowner now having fewer choices for household drain
cleaners, etc., and also on small businesses or people trying to start small businesses who are now frustrated trying to obtain what until recently
were common chemicals. Maybe it would help to compile a list of all the odd uses for these chemicals that the average person might, at some point,
have an interest in. My suggestion is, basically, instead of trying to defend the rights of a small minority, point out that the rights of the average
person are ultimately being abridged.
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It´s not only the fewer choices....it´s the problem that even the possession is now illegal. If you have somewhere a bottle of battery acid
forgotten, which is sulfuric acid with 30% you can be punished with a fine or up to three years in jail in Germany according to the
Ausgangsstoffgesetz - AusgStG http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/ausgstg/index.html
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| Quote: Originally posted by Syn the Sizer |
To make it clear, I did not say Europe was a fascist state, I said it is turning into one. My opinions are actually base on discussions with various
friends from Europe and they were the first to make the claim, then upon research on in fascism to get a better understanding I saw some parallels
where I see Europe heading with the EU restrictions.
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The people you were talking to are inveterate fools. See also @clearly_not_atara' s points.
And the only ones who believe the EU is/is becoming a 'state' are Brexiteers and perennial Eurosceptics. You hang out with the wrong crowd, which also
makes you a f**l.
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@blogfast: was* european- technically UK isnt europe. ☻
seems that the UK is getting worse much faster just to make it seem like not being part of EU is a bad thing
walled off neighbourhood where you cant drive because CO2, travel zone restrictions
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I'm not British but of a European nationality. I just happen to live in the disaster area called 'Albion'. 
Someone called Brexit 'the largest case of economic self-harm [by the uk]'
Have a quick gander e.g.: https://sourcechemicals.com/product/hydrogen-peroxide-9-food...
[Edited on 17-2-2023 by blogfast25]
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Tomorrow will be the last day of this survey running.
I have contributed my own opinion now, including a position paper, proposing a relaxation of the strict rules implemented with the infamous 2019/1148
directives (aka the Sulfuric Acid Ban), and advocating against further chemical restrictions. This relaxation may either be a complete abolishment of
2019/1448 (very unlikely) or the introduction of a proper chemical permit that all EU member states are required to accept, giving people access to
small quantities of:
- Sulfuric acid up to 100 %
- Nitric acid up to 70 %
- Hydrogen peroxide up to 35 %
- Urotropine,
as well as continued unlimited access to Sodium hypochlorite, Calcium hypochlorite and Trichloroisocyanuric acid, all of which are frequently used as
pool disinfection chemicals.
Thank you so much for the contributions so far. Before I posted this thread, a mere six people voted on this survey, now the number
is close to 200. I hope that our opinion will not entirely be left unheard.
Edit: Also, please refrain from political discussions not relevant to this topic.
[Edited on 19-2-2023 by FRTZKNG]
[Edited on 19-2-2023 by FRTZKNG]
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| Quote: Originally posted by FRTZKNG |
I have contributed my own opinion now, including a position paper, proposing a relaxation of the strict rules implemented with the infamous 2019/1148
directives (aka the Sulfuric Acid Ban), and advocating against further chemical restrictions. |
Stellar work, top man! 
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I’m going to send my own contribution before the deadline
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I tried to fill it but there are so many questions that I lost myself in the middle. It is not possible to read/understand/fill everything during my
normal workday.
If somebody (who positioned himself as an amateur chemist) already managed to fill it could you share your answers, I will try to support your opinion
with my own voice.
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| Quote: Originally posted by teodor | | I tried to fill it but there are so many questions that I lost myself in the middle. It is not possible to read/understand/fill everything during my
normal workday. |
What questions?
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I hadn't seen the questionnaire. Thought it was just the matter of writing a position paper. It is in, though. 23:00 Bruxelles time. That was a close
shave.
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I also filled the form, a few days ago. I really hated a lot of the questions, since they were literally repeating themselves. There was also the
option of uploading an essay, where I could have said more, but I have a distinct feeling that it might not have mattered much, mainly due to how the
questionnaire was written.
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There has been some new developments: Summary report
Attachment: Summary_Report.pdf (440kB)
This file has been downloaded 264 times
It reads as though the feedback was indeed heard! To quote:
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Feedback on the need for EU action and possible policy options
Low appetite for regulation was clearly displayed in the results of the consultation. 76% of participants (185) thought that access to the high-risk
chemicals should either not be regulated at all or to a low extent. |
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Overall, all position papers expressed some sceptical views about the introduction of stricter measures for the control of chemicals. On the contrary,
they pointed out that it could have negative effects on hobbyists, workers, employees and the general public. To that end, some proposed investing
more in awareness and information to educate the general public and commercial actors on how to use chemicals safely and responsibly, rather than
imposing restrictions. |
Maybe it is too early to celebrate, let's hope they will make the sensible choice here.
we apologize for the inconvenience
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241 participants is amazingly low.
The results are quite interesting. I'm not surprised though. More regulations usually means a lot of money spent for companies.
The spirit of adventure was upon me. Having nitric acid and copper, I had only to learn what the words 'act upon' meant. - Ira Remsen
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[...]5 CONCLUSIONS AND NEXT STEPS
The outcome of the public consultation points to support from members of the general
public for awareness raising and capacity-building among law enforcement and customs
authorities regarding the security risks stemming from the misuse of high-risk chemicals
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Interesting conclusion....the feedback was heard, but the conclusion shows they do not care......
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| Quote: Originally posted by BJ68 | | Interesting conclusion....the feedback was heard, but the conclusion shows they do not care...... |
Notice how the planned restrictions are absent in that paragraph. Raising awareness instead of restrictions are the results of the survey - not a sign
of "not caring" imo.
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