DocX
Hazard to Others
Posts: 179
Registered: 22-10-2015
Member Is Offline
Mood: No Mood
|
|
check for urea in ammonium nitrate
So I have some supposed ammonium nitrate collected a long time ago from cold packs. In the ingredients list it said "ammonium nitrate", and I got a
bunch of them.
Recently I made some tannerite for a friend by mixing a portion of the pellets with aluminum powder. Packed it up good to make an explosive target for
target practice at the shooting range. However, it didn't work.
I now wonder if all or parts of my supposed ammonium nitrate stock might actually be urea. I have a nice big jar full of these pellets. and I wonder:
is there a way to analyse it to see if urea is present?
The molecules are so much alike I can't really figure out how this could be done.
|
|
|
B(a)P
International Hazard
Posts: 1139
Registered: 29-9-2019
Member Is Offline
Mood: Festive
|
|
As you seem to be ok with handling/manufacturing explosives.
Dissolve a small sample in a little water. Add some concentrated nitric acid.
If you get a white precipitate that will likely be urea nitrate and this will confirm the presence of urea.
If you want to know how much of your ammonium nitrate/urea is actually urea, then weigh out your sample and weigh the precipitate once dried.
|
|
|
DocX
Hazard to Others
Posts: 179
Registered: 22-10-2015
Member Is Offline
Mood: No Mood
|
|
I'm not EXTREMELY comfortable with explosives, no. But tannerite is reasonably indolent, and nor I or anyone else will be anywhere near it when it's
subjected to enough energy to react. It is after all sold in gas stations in various parts of the US.
But thank you! Great tip! It can be tried with minuscule amounts, so safety is ok. I'll report back as soon as I get the time to actually do it.
The next quest, if I can confirm urea contamination, is of course to separate the two. But that's another thread.
[Edited on 20222222/6/9 by DocX]
|
|
|
PirateDocBrown
National Hazard
Posts: 570
Registered: 27-11-2016
Location: Minnesota
Member Is Offline
Mood: No Mood
|
|
Mix with kerosene. Light with a fuse, from a safe distance. There is a large difference in the resulting reaction.
Phlogiston manufacturer/supplier.
For all your phlogiston needs.
|
|
|
DocX
Hazard to Others
Posts: 179
Registered: 22-10-2015
Member Is Offline
Mood: No Mood
|
|
Large difference depending on what? Like I said, this is probably a MIX of urea and ammonium nitrate. So there's nothing to compare with.
|
|
|
Deathunter88
National Hazard
Posts: 522
Registered: 20-2-2015
Location: Beijing, China
Member Is Offline
Mood: No Mood
|
|
Quote: Originally posted by DocX  | | Large difference depending on what? Like I said, this is probably a MIX of urea and ammonium nitrate. So there's nothing to compare with.
|
There will be no difference. Nothing will happen in either case. You need a blasting cap, a good booster charge, and a critical diameter to initiate
ANFO.
|
|
|
PirateDocBrown
National Hazard
Posts: 570
Registered: 27-11-2016
Location: Minnesota
Member Is Offline
Mood: No Mood
|
|
| Quote: Originally posted by Deathunter88 | | Quote: Originally posted by DocX | | Large difference depending on what? Like I said, this is probably a MIX of urea and ammonium nitrate. So there's nothing to compare with.
|
There will be no difference. Nothing will happen in either case. You need a blasting cap, a good booster charge, and a critical diameter to initiate
ANFO. |
It won't detonate, but it will burn.
Phlogiston manufacturer/supplier.
For all your phlogiston needs.
|
|
|
Arthur Dent
National Hazard
Posts: 553
Registered: 22-10-2010
Member Is Offline
Mood: entropic
|
|
Thank you B(a)P for the tip.
So if I understand, nitric acid will produce a white precipitate in the presence of urea, but will remain clear if it's pure Ammonium Nitrate?
I also have several cool packs that have little information on their composition. I'll test them out right now. 
Thanks!!!
| Quote: Originally posted by B(a)P | As you seem to be ok with handling/manufacturing explosives.
Dissolve a small sample in a little water. Add some concentrated nitric acid.
If you get a white precipitate that will likely be urea nitrate and this will confirm the presence of urea.
If you want to know how much of your ammonium nitrate/urea is actually urea, then weigh out your sample and weigh the precipitate once dried.
|
--- Art is making something out of nothing and selling it. - Frank Zappa ---
|
|
|
B(a)P
International Hazard
Posts: 1139
Registered: 29-9-2019
Member Is Offline
Mood: Festive
|
|
Yes that is correct. And if you weigh your sample, every gram of urea will give you about two grams of urea nitrate. You will then be able to work out
the percentage of your sample that is urea.
[Edited on 12-6-2022 by B(a)P]
|
|
|
![[*]](images/xpblue/default_icon.gif){kind=icon}
