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AN: 575 kJ / kg
TNT: 908 kJ / kg
AN : TNT = 0.63
Beirut: 2.75 kt AN = 1.74 kt TNT
Hiroshima: 12.5 kt TNT
Beirut : Hiroshima = 13.93%
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It's unlikely that all the AN detonated.
" Initial estimates of the yield of the explosion ranged from hundreds of tons of TNT equivalent, to between 1.0 and 1.5 kilotons. "
From
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Largest_artificial_non-nuclear...
Something like 1 to 10% of the energy of the Hiroshima bomb.
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The storagehaus photos are fake. The exploded stoff was ammoniumnitrate technical grade (not agricultural grade this is flegmatised) made in Russia. A
russian ship 6 years ago delivered this (cca 2700 mto) for coal and stone mine somewhere to Africa, but near of Beirut had a a big technical
problem After that, got the shipper bankrupt the appropriated AN was very bad condition storaged etc.. Such blindness, irresponsibility and
inadequacy cant wondering.
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Quote: Originally posted by Pyro_cat  |
That first explosion did not look like a firework at all. They were the normal white flashes.
Munition of some sort? Rumors going around that they had confiscaded weapons there
The first real explosion that ended the video from the room full of AN was white-yellow and was so fast. Burned clean . What the heck was that?
Maybe this should just be left alone. World be a better place if everyone believes it was accident.
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Munition of some sort? There were rumors they had confiscated munitions but who knows. There literally could have been anything else stored there with
the AN. Compressed gas cylinders, fuels and solvents, who knows. I agree tho the twitter video you linked had to be something a bit more hefty then
fireworks.
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Power lines in fires are a pretty good source of bright white flashes too.
All the people who are saying that "just fireworks" don't cause explosions clearly don't know what they are on about.
This is what happens if you set fire to a shipping container with 6 tons of fireworks (and that's what you would expect in a warehouse at a port).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F55r0JL_lTQ
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Just fire can set off AN.
Smaller explosions may have been smaller portions of AN detonating before the whole thing went up.
Given that I would expect other confiscated goods to be stored in the same warehouse there is no telling what was there. It could have been actual
bombs that got caught being smuggled or fireworks or counterfeit purses, and chances are the records went up with the warehouse.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNDhIGR-83w
Fireworks and AN were stored in the same warehouse. It could have been intentional...
When logic and proportion have fallen sloppy dead...
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In general, given a choice between assuming something is a cockup or a conspiracy, it's usually safe to assume someone screwed up.
[Edited on 8-8-20 by unionised]
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aka Hanlon’s Razor
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon’s_razor
| Quote: Originally posted by unionised |
In general, given a choice between assuming something is a cockup or a conspiracy, it's usually safe to assume someone screwed up.
[Edited on 8-8-20 by unionised] |
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New angle uploaded today.
4K footage of Lebanon explosion shows Beirut Port blast unfolding in slow motion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-vGkIKxGAg
Watched it full screen its sharp.
Someone made a compilation set to music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-vGkIKxGAg
There is probably tons more video but I don't think they have any working cell towers left in Beirut for people to be posting things on You Tube right
now.
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It's really hard not to think these are fireworks popping off before the main explosion.
NH4NO3 will give off gasses before blowing up (if it ever does) that could have worsened the fire.
Good luck to the forensics team. Science and politics are not miscible under normal conditions.
The spirit of adventure was upon me. Having nitric acid and copper, I had only to learn what the words 'act upon' meant. - Ira Remsen
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Yeah, i no way do I think this was an attack or sabotage. Improperly stored materials in a developing nation is not something that should surprise
anybody. As @plastics mentioned, seems like a classic Hanlon's Razor. Really the only folks who are dug into this conspiracy behind it seem to be the
one's attempting to inject conspiracy into literally every news story that drops every day. Our quest here is to be logical and to limit conjecture.
Every expert account I've read that pyro_cat initially posted as well as others agree that the detonation was a classic AN detonation. What good is
the attack speculation when there is literally no evidence other than some shady, grainy videos on youtube that hold about as much weight as the WTC
videos?
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Yes, absolutely, Israel decides to nuke Beirut just for the gags of it, and best part of it, reveal it's neither acknowledged nor denied nuclear
arsenal. So, let's see some radioactive residue from beirut. I suppose there are working particle detectors in Lebanon?
It is a well documented fact that AN can and will detonate in mass quantities when exposed to fire, heat and given sufficient time. If you have
thousands of tons of it going off, it will make a big mess, even if it doesn't fully detonate, especially if it happens to occur in a middle of a
city.
Considering it had an effective blast of over 1 kiloton, it has a surprisingly low body count Several orders of magnitude smaller charges have induced
an order of magnitude higher casualties.
[Edited on 11-8-2020 by Fyndium]
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| Quote: Originally posted by Fyndium | Yes, absolutely, Israel decides to nuke Beirut just for the gags of it, and best part of it, reveal it's neither acknowledged nor denied nuclear
arsenal. So, let's see some radioactive residue from beirut. I suppose there are working particle detectors in Lebanon?
It is a well documented fact that AN can and will detonate in mass quantities when exposed to fire, heat and given sufficient time. If you have
thousands of tons of it going off, it will make a big mess, even if it doesn't fully detonate, especially if it happens to occur in a middle of a
city.
Considering it had an effective blast of over 1 kiloton, it has a surprisingly low body count Several orders of magnitude smaller charges have induced
an order of magnitude higher casualties.
[Edited on 11-8-2020 by Fyndium] |
Exactly. The whole "everything is a conspiracy" is becoming a tired argument really quickly.
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Pure ammonium nitrate can explode, especially been heated (melted) in large quantities. No problem. The red color of the cloud after the explosion
clearly indicates that it was pure ammonium nitrate (I mean, AN without a significant amount of some flammable components- coal, gasoline, and so on).
Positive OB, guys. NOx arises under such conditions. BTW, once I was able to initiate the mix AN + Al with a small charge of homemade black powder.
Women are more perilous sometimes, than any hi explosive.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Fyndium | Yes, absolutely, Israel decides to nuke Beirut just for the gags of it, and best part of it, reveal it's neither acknowledged nor denied nuclear
arsenal. So, let's see some radioactive residue from beirut. I suppose there are working particle detectors in Lebanon?
It is a well documented fact that AN can and will detonate in mass quantities when exposed to fire, heat and given sufficient time. If you have
thousands of tons of it going off, it will make a big mess, even if it doesn't fully detonate, especially if it happens to occur in a middle of a
city.
Considering it had an effective blast of over 1 kiloton, it has a surprisingly low body count Several orders of magnitude smaller charges have induced
an order of magnitude higher casualties.
[Edited on 11-8-2020 by Fyndium] |
I agree with all of that except the part about needing particle detectors
to prove or disprove if it was nuclear.
Here's a link to a survey of fallout patterns for 2 separate 1.2kT nuclear bursts, one laid on the ground surface (same one I linked a video of in a
previous post) and one buried 17ft underground. It's a 13ish mb file, so I didn't upload it. Note on 14 and 15 of the document, there is a map of the
contamination for the surface burst, showing the area exposed to 100r/hr an hour after initiation. The area extends about 300 meters upwind of ground
zero, and about 3.5km downwind in a strip about 500m across. Note that a person who ignorantly stayed in this area until the worst of the fallout had
dissipated (e.g. a week or two) would accumulate about 5x that dose.
The attached document, chapter 8 of Glasstone and Dolan's Effects of Nuclear Weapons, shows that a nuclear device will also create an instantaneous
pulse of radiation when it goes off.This is separate from the contamination effects, and figure 8.33a (page 10 of the document) shows 300r of initial
radiation at about 800m from a single kiloton device.
For reference, 100r will cause obvious symptoms of radiation poisoning, and 500r is often fatal within in a few weeks.
TL;DR? If a low kiloton nuke had gone off in Beirut, more people would be dying from radiation than from the heat or force of the blast itself.We'd be
looking at a few thousand people with distinctive radiation sickness symptoms at a minimum.
Attachment: eonw_8.pdf (5.4MB)
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Who put the fireworks together with the AN in the same warehouse is most to blame...
When logic and proportion have fallen sloppy dead...
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Well, all of them - at least 7 batches of explosives - were confiscated because they were dangerous at the hands of whoever held them.
Just because government confiscates stuff because it is dangerous in private hands does not mean the stuff stops being dangerous when it is in
government hands.
Government has just one dangerous goods warehouse, too small for the loads of dangerous goods confiscated from people? Fine, then there is not enough
space to stop fires from spreading, and the whole warehouse goes up in a chain of explosions.
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one thing people dont realize about AN is that it has a very high gas volume, i believe its 980L/kg where RDX and the like is around 600 or 700
i dont really get why there was fireworks going off before the blast, it seemed planned. first you want to get the AN very hot, maybe even molten, now
from the pics its clear to see there was contaminats getting into the bags, this could serve to sensitize the mix, especially if it was iron rich dust
anyhow, israel took the blame saying they bombed the warehouse assuming it was a weapons stash, later on said that the AN was used by terrorists, it
was a supply station - just seems too coincidential to me, the NO2 cloud would explain that it wasnt an actual explosive mixture, that the balance was
really poor and would also explain that it didnt all go off entirely as seen with many tannerite videos, its possible to set such mixtures off
low-order where the nitrogen in the NO2 isnt freed and you miss out on a lot of power
all that aside really nice bang, have we ever gotten that great a view of some blast that majestic?
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| Quote: Originally posted by Antiswat |
i dont really get why there was fireworks going off before the blast,
all that aside really nice bang, have we ever gotten that great a view of some blast that majestic? |
Fireworks are easy to set off, They are designed to be; that's why many of them went off first.
Not a really nice bang- it killed over 200 people.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Antiswat | one thing people dont realize about AN is that it has a very high gas volume, i believe its 980L/kg where RDX and the like is around 600 or 700
i dont really get why there was fireworks going off before the blast, it seemed planned. first you want to get the AN very hot, maybe even molten, now
from the pics its clear to see there was contaminats getting into the bags, this could serve to sensitize the mix, especially if it was iron rich dust
anyhow, israel took the blame saying they bombed the warehouse assuming it was a weapons stash, later on said that the AN was used by terrorists, it
was a supply station - just seems too coincidential to me, the NO2 cloud would explain that it wasnt an actual explosive mixture, that the balance was
really poor and would also explain that it didnt all go off entirely as seen with many tannerite videos, its possible to set such mixtures off
low-order where the nitrogen in the NO2 isnt freed and you miss out on a lot of power
all that aside really nice bang, have we ever gotten that great a view of some blast that majestic? |
This sounds a bit conspiratorial to me. I am not aware of any credible claims that this was anything but an accident – preventable, but accidental
nonetheless.
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This is new, November 20, 2020
https://interestingengineering.com/video/research-team-relea...
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Their full published paper is free to the public on Wiley's Propellants, Explosives, and Pyrotechnics journal. The team did a great job with their
findings and used to fairly cunning procedures to get their results. The nuclear equivalent seemed to be somewhere between the old "Davey Crockett"
tactical nukes and the Air-to-Air anti-bomber squadron nukes...don't remember what Americans called it back in the day.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/prep.202000227
I really do hope this finally puts to rest the discussion about whether it was an attack or an accident....I think the evidence is quite clear here
that the only "enemy" that caused this senseless loss of human life was pure negligence.
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Review on Thermal Decomposition of Ammonium Nitrate
SHALINI CHATURVEDI AND PRAGNESH N. DAVE
Journal of Energetic Materials, 31: 1–26, 2013
ISSN: 0737-0652 print=1545-8822 online
DOI: 10.1080/07370652.2011.573523
In this review data from the literature on thermal decomposition of ammonium nitrate (AN) and the effect of additives to their thermal decomposition
are summarized. The effect of additives like oxides, cations, inorganic acids, organic compounds, phase-stablized CuO, etc., is discussed. The effect
of an additive mainly occurs at the exothermic peak of pure AN in a temperature range of 200 ° C to 140 ° C.
is attached 
Attachment: UEGM_A_5735232finalcopy.pdf (1.2MB)
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[Edited on 6-2-2022 by leau]
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