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acetic peroxide
I just herd of acetic peroxide it is a clear liquid that explodes when hated to105c and it seems to be quite explosive I was wondering if any one has
made or herd about it. It seems like you could make it with a similar process, as AP
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You probably talk about peracetic acid which explodes upon heating up to 110°C.
This cannot be made in a concentrated form from acetic acid and H2O2, but is made from acetaldehyde.
Diluted solutions can be made from acetic acid and H2O2 though and these are used in organic chemistry for oxidations, in special epoxidations.
AP as easy it is prepared is absolutely enough to enforce evolution in Darwin´s sense, aka to erase the scrap from the genepool. We dont need another
similar easily prepared high-explosive IMHO.
btw. its "heard" not "herd".
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If I were to make dilute peracetic acid and add it to baking soda would that form a low explosive compound or would the peracetic acid decompose to
acetic acid and oxygen then react
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Low explosives are not compounds, they are mixtures of compounds, so what you are proposing would actually be a high explosive.
That would be interesting though, sodium peracetate, although I do not think that it exists, if it does it could open up a lot more posibilities for
energetic salts with heavy metals.
[Edited on 28-11-2004 by rogue chemist]
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Sodium peracetate exists.
Look here
It seems to be a liquid though.
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I dont see any reference to sodium peracetate there Organikum!? Sodium perborates are, at the link at the bottom.
PATR 2700 lists "Sodium peroxoborate" saying "detonates upon light friction". Though it has its formula screwed up (BH4NO3!) so I
dont know what its refering to, check vol.8 P197. It would be interesting to pull up its reference - Anon, AngChem 65,41 (1963)
This info is somewhat contradictory of the web page "Sodium perborate monohydrate is particularly suitable for use at high ambient
temperatures".
I've previously attempted to create a salt by mixing urea with peroxalic acid, with the reasoning being that urea stabalises H2O2 very well as
H2NCONH2.H2O2, thus perhaps it would isolate and stabalise urea peroxolate. It precipitates immediately however it continues to evolve gas and is not
explosive once dried.
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uups. Wrong link, I will try to find the one I actually thought of again....
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here now
Is this what we want?
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Quxian Tiansheng Chemical Co., Ltd. It is a private stock-holding company, having fixed assets of over RMB£¤1,700,000, specialized in manufacture
of sodium acetate and sodium peracetate.
Products: sodium peracetate (sodium diacetate)
Molecular formula: CH3COONa. CH3COOH
Specifications:
Acetic acid: 391.0
Water: 4.01.0
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Couldn't sodium peracetate just be sodium acetate with H2O2 like percarbonates?
[Edited on 12/13/2004 by guy]
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NaBO2
sodium peroxoborate is not as reactive as this post would lead one to beleave, it was used as a hot water bleach for years, and can be produced from
the reaction of borax with hydrogen peroxide, the peroxide you are working with it far less stable then the salt you produce, and I would worry alot
more about causing an explosion from the hydrogen peroxide.
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