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OF3+ compounds
I'm not sure whether this is true or not, but I vaguely remember reading somewhere that for every compound containing hydrogen, there exists a
fluorine analogue. This got me thinking as to the existence of OF3+, the fluorine analogue of the hydronium ion. This should be an insanely powerful
oxidiser, featuring oxygen in the +4 (!) state. Of course, the trouble would be finding an anion to go with it that isn't oxidised. Anyway, googling
yeilded nothing on it . Does anyone know if this ion is indeed stable?
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I don't see how it could exist because F- or F don't have an empty slot for it to accept a pair electrons like a H+.
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Well, if you were to try to make it in an analogous way to H3O+, you would be reacting F+ with F2O (which isn't likely to happen, as you're not going
to find F+ ions under any conditions remotely approaching normal). But in terms of structure alone, there's nothing wrong with it - all you've got is
an oxygen which has lost an electron, and as a result needs to make three covalent bonds in order to have 8 in the outer shell, and these three bonds
are made with fluorine atoms:
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:O(+) --- F
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F
It's isoelectric with NF3:
F
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:N --- F
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F
[Edited on 8-12-2005 by Pyrovus]
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Does anyone here have access to Elsevier publications? I found a journal article that might answer Pyrovus' question on the trifluorooxonium ion's
existence:
Crawford, M. and Klapötke, T.M., J. Flourine Chem. 99, 151-156 (1999)
http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/S0022-1139(99)00139-6
and a corrigendum:
http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/S0022-1139(00)00237-2
Hope this helps...
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[Edited on 8-12-2005 by sparkgap]
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This is not such a strange question, because the ion NF4(+) exists and is synthesized in the recent past.
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Crawford, M. and Klapötke, T.M., J. Fluorine Chem. 99, 151-156 (1999)
(misspelled earlier. )
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The corrigendum to Crawford and Klapötke
is attached
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